R.Crusoe

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  Yesterday was my birthday and what a bum day it was !

  by oldflame in

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  2. friends

  well i turned another year younger yesterday, my girlfriend who has been living with me for almost a year tells me, here is your birthday present and i will not be living here any more.

  here son has had a time with trouble and last summer needed a place to live.

  a month ago someone stole half of my pain medications.

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  I have been known to only realise it had been my birthday two or three days after the event - and that was in my 20s and 30s so ???

  Maybe it's better when you weren't aware it was a bum day??
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  Hanging on the words of the WBTS.

  by Caedes in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it seems that we haven't changed much, we are all as excited by the latest announcements as when we were sat in that kh.

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  Caedes you have a point!

  They create a network of pain bodies in followers and feed it with their literature!

  And exJWs pain bodies are fed by negatives about the WT.

  Plausible?
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  Do we have a need for conflict?

  by wings in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  seems like the more contentious discussions on the board just go around and around the same tree.

  those who have faith in god are delusional, simple minded, or even mentally ill...?.

  those who don't believe in god are narrow minded, 2 dimensional, and are missing out on something great...?.

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  Apparently, unless we can live in the absolute now - prescense of deeper self awareness - each of us are controlled by pain bodies we have accumulated over a lifetime!

  And all pain bodies feed off pain = conflict or negatives!

  Apparently?
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  Could religious belief be considered a sign of mental illness?

  by nicolaou in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  religious believers clearly have tendencies to make-up "facts" and "evidence" rather than accept true research and admit even the simplest of belief failures.

  they have strange ceremonies that are virtually pointless but are said to have special significance or power.. we all know certain 'christians' alive today who are fully prepared to argue that they might never die!

  couldn't it be argued that such a reversion into childlike fantasy is a telltale sign of mental illness?

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  DD,

  10 billion (USA alone) will be born and die within the year to fuel human consumption.

  Similarly, many humans will be fed psychologies to preserve the lifestyles of the elite!

  It is a rather simple logic!

  To suggest god willed it is ...erm - draw your own conclusions!
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  Can love = ego?

  by R.Crusoe in

  1. social
  2. relationships

  it seems to me that some of us have an idea that the meaning of life is to find true love = a soulmate partner.. but is this a western ego sold to us by romanticism?.

  is it a part of the natural worlds human charactersistic?.

  is it a bit of each and attainable only by the 'natural selection' within our speceis?.

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  It seems to me that some of us have an idea that the meaning of life is to find true love = a soulmate partner.

  But is this a western ego sold to us by romanticism?

  Is it a part of the natural worlds human charactersistic?

  Is it a bit of each and attainable only by the 'natural selection' within our speceis?

  Reality does seem ruthless and cruel!

  If two people love each other for life things seem to work out fine!

  But if one is deceived into commitment and later finds their goodwill betrayed or rejected what are they left with?

  A pain body? Is it a false ego they invested emotion in? Or religious conviction and love for god in?

  It seems to me that ego is that which cannot be sustained asa reality and leaves a person betrayed in some or multiple ways in spite of their sincerity = and likely because of their sincerity!

  So is the greatest risk of developing lasting ego (pain bodies), love?
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  The Father in Me.

  by R.Crusoe in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  has been killed of!.

  it will mean that my role is forever removed from where it was!.

  the new me is absent the 'family' it was so ready to support and stand up and fight for!.

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  When the role of the 'YOU' held out in the 'NOW' is available too long without reply and weakens your resolve - eventually there is so little left of what you offered that even oif it were to be requested you would not have it to give!

  Yup - that's it!

  And when you find some used it to effect such an outcome is when you see true colours of humanity - cold, calculating and taking pleasure from it!

  I think some love overfeeding their PAIN BODIES of the destruction of others - till they become OBESE of it!

  Yup = some pain bodies are OBESE of the destruction of others!
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  Jehovahs Capitalists!

  by R.Crusoe in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i thought about something i long saw in long term jws!.

  many 2nd, 3rd generation with whole families in it up to their necks!.

  and this title sums them up!.

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  Their expectation of you is immense!

  It is multifaceted!

  It is why when you leave you will experience an immediate network of pain bodies!

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  An ongoing network of pain bodies attached to personal daily egos you have attached to any family or friends!

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  Additional ones attached to frequent misalignemnt with your new lifestyle - of your visual body/persona and how it is responded to in the world at large!

  So it is a good thing if you are able to align with your formless self (inner self) and the permanent strength that lies there! The sooner the better because if you are too long in the arena of pain bodies - they are violent towards your inner self and keep it locked up till it hardly knows anything!
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  Depression-pain or do I love it?

  by R.Crusoe in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  i just learned lots of egos live in me!

  (many love to pain me = my personal pain bodies).

  some love depression!.

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  I have 'pained' as have many of you!

  Tolle claims virtually all pain to be due to 'pain bodies'.attached to an ego you have! (not viewed last nights show yet!! - not available online tilll later)

  For example, if a loved one dies - there is no way they can ever return any love you have for their non-existent life form/presence or the future interactions and reality you would have shared with them! You are left with an imaginary (mental) ego - a persona of yours attached to their invisible form - which displaces the NOW of your life in preference to maintaining an illusion of them - which is absent them!

  So you in effect are loving to feed the pain body!

  You are loving to keep dragging the present 'you' into a negative reality.

  It is unavoidable that some of this will occur, but knowing its impact on your present life is what gives you a balance and awareness of what is happening to you. Maybe thus enabling you to reduce it???? Maybe?? I don't know - if it's irreplaceable then maybe not - I am having a problem with replacement!!! Tolle suggests when you focus on the core self you will be free of all pain bodies!

  What is a pain body?

  When does an ego become an ego?

  I say:

  1) when one person gives more than another - for whatever reason !

  2) when a person expects of themselves more than reality allows them to - for whatever reason !

  3) when you buy into others expecting mor of you than reality allows you to give - for whatever reason !

  4) when each of 1,2,3 result in your being 'judged' a failure for not meeting their expectations of you!

  If you think of any more please add!
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  On the sound use of mental suicide.

  by Narkissos in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this topic is meant as a follow-up of my recent conversation with r. crusoe on different threads.. it seems to me that the current popularisation of eckhart tolle's philosophy, resurrecting what i think is the very core of age-old mystical traditions (to put it shortly: death of the culturally constructed "self"), without the collective mythological, institutional and social settings for such an experience, is potentially very liberating but also very dangerous.. i am sensitive to that because i went through a similar experience when i left jws -- i felt both its empowering and destructive force, and, although i certainly don't claim to have dealt with it optimally (is that an adverb?

  ), i'm hoping that experience, good or bad, may benefit others, to an extent.

  and i'm sure that i'm not alone in that case.. so i'd like this thread to be primarily supportive, even though that may include some theoretical and practical criticism.. .

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  Methinks pragmatism is the reality check!

  It is great if you have few people questioning everything about your intellectual validity and/or the sorts of colleagues who sit and chat over iced tea but....

  ...what if those you know are mostly in the low pay, long hour classes of people who dont care to talk anything through apart from how to get from one ball game to the next, not because they don't have a brain, but because life deals them less variety and far more responsibility?

  The model Eckhart suggests is a powerful one for change, but billions are just stepping onto the conveyor belt of consumerism.

  Is the west evolving into a more NOW with NATURE humanity as we speak?

  Is this the final spoke in the wheel of the cycle of capitalisms evolution?

  Are all nations destined to revolve into this same space-time?

  And will it happen more quickly to nations currently emerging as capitalist giants?

  What comes after the meltdown?

  So Eckharts model seem more holistic than first glances suggest - but how to personalise the NOW whilst maintaining LOVE for everyone is a tricky evolution for everyone to sort out. And it seems to encourage ignorance and loveless reaction in some respects to loved ones who may be having a tough time of life and what it deals to them. If you encourage complete 'passive peaceful indifference' within close family frameworks, life all too soon can become superficial, artificial and detached on a permanent basis.

  In the respect to always saying the NOW is the only point worth focusing on:-

  The model seems to almost rationalise a zero response to angst as a loving notion.

  I personally know it to be used oftentimes in the most insidiously controlling ways - silence like a cancer grows!!

  Using silence to seemingly demand conformity can become a very destructive and dangerous practise.

  I just wonder about any systems which advocate silence as a caring response = not because of how well intended they are but because of how in reality they get applied! A speechless action is ripe for misinterpretation! I do not recommend it as standard practise!

  Personally I respond to people who will talk things through at length at a personal level - and who will share their feelings with me - the idea of complete detachment from all 'roles' is impractical for most persons and their routines will essentially stretch many into ego realities.

  So I see a lot of misinterpretation may well spurn problems in all sort sof ways = if people are not on the same wavelength of Eckhartism - they may be perceived as ignorant or heartless or whateva?

  I think the model is one which intends to support the individuals sanity and preserve their non-reactive nature whilst the world around them continues to eb and flo with angst and ambition?

  It is an interesting proposition! An evolutionary model! But it seems to defer responsibility in some ways which are very interesting to project!

  Mmmmm?

  Back to reality = what does it mean for me this minute?

  Get my ass in gear and on with the grind!

  Que Sera.
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  Why suffer and die?

  by Aleman in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  rom.5:12; "that is why, just as through one man sin entered into the world and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men because they had all sinned.".

  rom.6:23; " for the wages sin pays is death, but the gift god gives is everlasting life by christ jesus our lord.".

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  Don't buy into it! This took me 6 viewings to assimilate the whole point of it!!:

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aUjLiLiriA&feature=related

  Apparently we are conditioned from infancy to respond to pain (psychological/emotional/physical)

  and then lose ourselves feeding the egos we adopt from them!