One of these days I'd love to come down to visit and partake of the winery ! lol. If I can get away from my business that I run which can be tricky to do. But hey, would love to catch up on the phone sometime ! I remember we talked some years back before you moved to Arizona. I'm glad to see your business is working out well for you and that your book is almost done ! Cool. Take care Keith, Peace out, Mr. Flipper
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My New Year Present to Everyone
by new boy ini have lived in sedona arizona for over five years.
we own the largest wine tour company here and take out more people to the vineyards in this area then anyone less.
so my new years present to anyone (governing body members excluded) here that reads this thread is 2 free wine tours if you visit sedona.
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Don't you think that some people are just better off within the org?
by paradiseseeker inthis is my first post, i will introduce myself later.
first of all, i must say that english is not my mother tongue (i'm spanish), so excuse me if i make any mistake.. do you think that some people simply can't cope with being outside the jws?
some of them are too worldlyphobic to be around non-jws, too dependent on a fixed set of rules in order to carry on with their lives, too dependent on the hope of paradise and resurrection, too unable to leave their personal comfort zone within the organization.
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I really don't think in reality that ANY JW is " better off " in a mind control , high control cult. It's just that JW's are trained to THINK that they're better off in a mind control cult.
It's like a frog in a slow, slow boiling pot of water. It feels so warm and comfy - why would the frog want to get out ? And then in time the frog boils to death and dies. That's whats happening to every single JW who is trapped inside. Little do 100 % of JW's know that 100 % of ALL of them will someday be laying on their deathbed after " boiling in the slow boiling pot " of lies , deceptions, and false promises of the WT Society throughout their lives.
And then some of them, will lay there at the end of their life wondering " what happened ? I was supposed to live forever, not die " . These folks will get sick to their stomach when reality punches them in the gut and by then learning TTATT will do them no good- they're dead. Other JW's will lay there hanging onto their illusions until the bitter end " comforting " themselves thinking " I'm only sleeping for a little while I'll be back in a resurrection " - yet those folks are no better off than the JW who sees TTATT at the end of their life - because ? - drum roll - they STILL DIE.
Either way, whether a JW sees TTATT, or they hang onto their illusions until death, both of these JW's are screwed because they hung onto these illusions their whole life- and death provides no more time to ever see what reality and real life was ! It's like hanging onto aan old vehicle till the engine goes, the tires fall of, the cars body falls off driving on the road until you're left with nothing- stripped bare - holding the steering wheel in your hands - but going nowhere.
Anyway- kind of how I see it. I know. My folks lived in this JW illusion for about 65 years. Now they're dead. No more chance to have ever seen real life living with a free mind - they were totally enslaved their whole life. Was that better for them ? I don't think so in my humble opinion. It caused them to make really unsuccessful and damaging decisions in their life. But hey- we the living can see examples like that- and that doesn't have to be our fate. O.K. End of my take. Peace out ! Happy new year everybody. Mr. Flipper
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Who Do JWs Fear The Most? Top Five
by Fred Franztone init's a fear-based religion, at its core.
jws fear many things, but what or who do they fear the most?
let's find out.... 5) satan.
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Who Do JW's Fear the Most ?
1. Elders & the Governing Body
2. Their own phobias
3. The real world
4. Themselves ( they believe they're all imperfect and fleshly )
5. Mr. Flipper ( and all the rest of us EX-JW's )
Isn't it a trip ? Peace out, Mr. Flipper
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Introduce myself
by dantoole87 ini'd like share why i went from being a teenager determined to work in full time service for jehovah my entire life, to now being on here commiserating with you all.
i use to be an atheist but i now believe in god.
but i'm not preachy about god.
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Hey Dan- Sorry to hear about all of your awful experiences with elders and weird JW family over the years. I hear ya buddy. I can relate, been there experienced this myself. The unjust actions of elders was the catalyst that got me to exit this organization over 14 years ago. With friends, family , and elders who treat us like this- who needs enemies, right ?
Time to erase the chalk board and start anew with finding quality friends who will respect your views and not infringe on your personal boundaries. JW's are great for infringing on our private lives or personal boundaries- usually uninvited.
Truly I believe your emotional life, mental, and physical life will be much more peaceful and calm by leaving these emotional vampires behind who have been sucking the joy out of your life ! Welcome to the little forum here , glad to have you. We offer our support and friendship my friend. Many of us have been in your shoes - and we get it- we understand. Hang in there and I wish for you a much happier 2018 and hope that peace returns to your life. We are here for you. Take care, Peace out, Mr. Flipper
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Talking Janet Jackson and Religious Freedom with the Wife
by OnTheWayOut inmy recent sidewalk discussion with a couple of jw's has gotten me in the mood to say more when appropriate.so the wife and i were riding in the car and cat stevens comes on.
i mentioned to her that cat stevens left music when he was still popular and converted to islam back in the 1970's- how he was told that his music would have to be morally acceptable and he found it easier to just abandon making new music for at least 20 years.
so i didn't really remember all the details and i figured the conversation would die.
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OTWO- That was awesome ! Well done indeed ! It seems like you really followed Hassan's methods here. Your wife will have that comparison stuck inside her head- whether she consciously wants it there - or not . It was really brilliant how you were able to subtly get her to think - and then she even agreed with you on a few points. But of course the JW brain senses " danger Will Robinson, danger Will Robinson ! " and starts shutting out thoughts that might change her world view as a JW. But I guarantee- it's still inside her mind. Keep up the great work ! Thanks for sharing. It will assist in giving other posters here in your situation with a believing JW wife to see how to approach situations
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Disgusted
by Jrjw ini've on my been on this forum for a few weeks but the more i'm learning the more ill its making me feel that i believed the wts.
my 12yr old today said i've made her miss out on having a normal childhood and i felt sick when she said it coz i know it's true.
i've been telling my dad today the things i've learned that wts had lied about and about the child abuse and he's disgusted too especially coz he's missed out on 12 years of being able to celebrate birthdays with us.
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JRJW- I understand how you feel frustrated at the losses you experienced while being a JW. Lost time and experiencing birthdays with your children- but one thing about it - is by living each day of your life now like it's a new beginning with new opportunities for positive experiences - the pain of those losses will with time gradually fade into the background. We've all been there too, we are here for you. Hang in there, take care, Peace out, Mr. Flipper
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Wave your phone lights and dance at the Assemblies!
by days of future passed inmy sister sent me this youtube.
in it are witnesses waving their phone lights and dancing in the aisles.
sorry if this vid has been posted before.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4k7iw-zisgw.
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Reminds me of the scene in the ten commandments movie with Charlton Heston of when he came back from the mountain with the tablets and the Israelites were all dancing around. Only with this video you have Bethelites, elders, and other allegedly " spiritual " men dancing around !
It's amazing. As others have stated - I do not recognize this religion as the same religion when I was a young boy in the 1960's. Are they sedating these people giving them freaking weird happy pills, or worse yet - Big Pharma's taken over the organization and they're all high on Valium or Vicotin ? WTF ?
I tell you- it's scary man. WT leaders might just lead these people dancing right off the cliff into their own deaths some day. And JW's will be smiling as they fall through the sky saying " I'm a sacrifice ! I'm a sacrifice ! " This is some scary shit really
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QFR - Posting JW publications on a personal website/social media
by Listener inthe following is a qfr from the april, 2018 watchtower.
just a couple of articles back the organization was explaining how jws need to be encouraging and even when admonishing congregations jesus would start out with encouraging words.
we see none of this in the qfr, rather, it is heavy handed and legally incorrect.. why is it not permissible to post publications of jehovah’s witnesses on a personal website or on social media?.
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This is very big. Thanks for posting this info.
Translation : Message from WT Society : " Brothers and sisters , it is NOT permissible to post publications of Jehovah's Witnesses on a personal website or on social media - because our teachings and beliefs are bat shit crazy enough on JW.org. We can control what's said there- we cannot control what's done on other personal or social media . Our spiritual food is contaminated enough as it is- it will REALLY get contaminated if Satan's media gets a hold of it ! "
Wow. WT leaders are definitely running scared though. " An online forum is not an appropriate setting for " instructing with mildness those not favorably disposed. "
Translation from WT : Because they'll change your mind about the " truth " and cause doubts to arise and we can't have that - so for the love of Jehovah - PLEASE only look at JW.org. O.K. ? " lol.
But hey- A big thumbs up to all of us EX-JW's out here ! WE should be proud of what we are accomplishing in waking people's minds up- obviously inroads are being made inside these congregations and JW's minds to start looking elsewhere for answers other than the official WT website. And that's a good thing. WT leaders hate and detest anything that they cannot control. And they cannot control access to information on the Internet. It's a beautiful thing. lol
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Did man really go to the moon?
by atomant inl have researched this subject and come to the conclusion that no we didn't.what do others think?.
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" Did man really go to the moon " ?
Do chickens lay eggs ? Does a bear shit in the woods ? Is Trump a narcissist ?
I mean what kind of question IS this ? Is this a trick question ? Peace out, Mr. Flipper
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A lot of my ancient ancestors on my mom's side were from Scotland in the 1700's and before. A lot from England and Scotland. The countryside is so beautiful in Scotland. It's one place I'd put on my bucket list down the road if I get a chance to visit while still on this planet alive. Would love to have a drink with some of you Scottish friends here on the board. Take care, Peace out, Mr. Flipper