Christian & Katja - Welcome to the forum ! Good for you that you are producing you tubes to assist others to wake up to freedom of mind ! Great work ! There are so many ways in which we can help others on the road to freedom . Keep up the great effort ! I'm happy that you both have your freedom as well. Take care, Peace out, Mr. Flipper
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Hello Everyone!!!
by Christian Gutierrez inmy name is christian and my wife is katja, and we have been out of the organization for a year and a half.
we were both regular pioneers and i was a ministerial servant.
we were very much happy to be witnesses and doing our best to do more for the organization.
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Hello, I'm new to this site
by ScrewedandConfused inhello, i thought i should introduce myself.
first, i apologize if my writing is not too good because english is not my first language.
my name is art and i am 25 years of age.
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The poster named OUTSIDER LOOKING IN is right. RUN LIKE HELL ! If Maria wants her family back and wants to jump through the hoops to do it fine- but it will drive you crazy having to pretend the JW's are " the truth " - when you know they are not. WT Society and WT leaders are actually running a criminal organization that has killed or caused the death of thousands of people on this planet. Refusing to allow minor children life saving blood transfusions, allowing child molesting pedophiles to remain in congregations if they allegedly " repent " and then these pedophiles rape even more JW children. And then when these child abuse victims grow up they commit suicide because the JW elders won't listen to their pleas for help but continue reinstating and sometimes even appointing child molesters as fellow elders serving in the congregation. And they forbid going to college to get a higher education.
So is THIS the organization that your love Maria is so concerned about returning to ? Sounds like you need to inform Maria about some of these criminal happenings within Jehovah's Witnesses and both you and her will have an informed decision to make. In good conscience can you support this shit ?
Why not make it easier on yourself and Maria- move away to another location and start a new life together ? Or if Maria is so intent on pleasing JW family that will judge her unfit or judge her unjustly- move on from Maria and don't let her need to be a JW screw up your life. Just being blatantly honest here- I have lots of JW family still in and they unjustly judge me - even though I'm not DFed. So it's like pissing in the wind for years trying to get reinstated when they will still treat us like crap even when we aren't DFed. We are here as a support for you my friend. You need to have further awakening and please do more research like your friends mentioned to you. Take care, Peace out, Mr. Flipper
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They really look after their older ones
by 20yearfader inmy aunt was a very attractive woman and it's hard sitting back and watching time rob her of her beauty and memories,but time has nothing on her so called christian brothers and sisters.her husband died about 10 years ago and she started dating an elder that claimed he always loved her since they were kids in the organization.he looks like that thing that was running around in the lord of the rings but what can you do?the courtship lasted 8 years, a couple of times i would stop by to see her and he would be over there in the late evenings with all lights in the house off,which i thought was odd but these people are in their early 60s and i haven't been to a hall in years so it was none of my concern.even if i was still in i wouldn't have said anything anyway.. growing up my aunt was always known in the family as being the air head.so it didn't surprise me when i learned that a couple of years ago the brother married another woman that was 10 years his junior,because you see even if you look like gollum in the hall brothers still have their pick of the litter so to speak.i think that whatever was holding her together snapped at this point,she started wandering around the neighborhood at night showing up at meetings with her make-up all over her face and her clothes backwards or inside out,then she started forgetting things and babbling about things that made no sense,a couple of times i found her wandering and i would pick her up and get her something to eat cause she would forget to eat a lot of times.. around this time pictures starting getting around the congregations with her looking a mess in her clothes and make-up.one of my other aunts stumbled upon the photos and she was one of the ones that alerted the rest of the family about her condition along with me (my word carries very little weight since i don't attend the hall) anyway we got her to a doctor and it was found that she has alzheimer's and it was time to settle her affairs as such.
last week as i was moving out her furniture and other items since her house is going to be sold my cousin tells me that the bank employees that my aunt used knew her elder friend very well and that her always came with her to the bank to withdrawl money.they wouldn't tell her how much was withdrawn but they nodded their heads when she said was it thousands of dollars?.
hearing this i get pissed to the highest level of pisstivity if there is such a thing.i tell my mom since she is so buddy buddy with the guy and she goes ballistic he is a servant of jehovah how dare you,there isn't any proof and innocent until proven guilty it was only until i told her that she better pray that i remain calm and not give into the anger that i feel and take a little trip to her congregation and pull him from the stage and beat the shit out of him that got her to shut up.only in a cult like this can you defend and she blamed her sister for the whole incident,my aunt was child like when he was making those trips with her to the bank cause at this point she doesn't even know who she is so he had to have seen the evidence of her condition long before we did.. i really hate this religion i've been gone for over 25 years and it still has a way of getting at you thanks for letting me vent.
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My jw inlaws put Flipper's mom in a really depressing nursing home. We call her often - she is very lonely there. Every so often she says "Well, I'm in jail." She still has her sharp sense of humor and converses well.
Every so often her memory slips or she mixes up her kid's names, when she has just woken up or is sad about things. Her husband the elder takes every chance to say how she's "getting worse", they all go on about her mental state.
After all, they need to justify how they shuffled their money around to cheat the welfare system, take her out of a nice nursing home and plunk her where she is now.
"Their" money, by the way, was her inheritance from her parents.
Mrs. Flipper
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Shunning: is it still practiced?
by FinchAndWeston inare df, da and apostates still shunned?
are each treated differently?
i heard a secondhand report that they seemed to have eased up on this practice ...
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Shunning: is it still practiced?
by FinchAndWeston inare df, da and apostates still shunned?
are each treated differently?
i heard a secondhand report that they seemed to have eased up on this practice ...
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Flipper's daughters have shunned him for years - his oldest daughter will not let him meet his first grandchild, 5 months old, unless he goes back to meetings.
Hypocrites - more mean and judgmental than anyone I know, but actually think they are more spiritual and moral. Not.
Mrs. Flipper
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Memorial mixed emotions...
by Tornintwo indoes anyone else feel 'pulled back in' at this time of year?.
i still consider myself to a believer, believe in god and jesus christ, on the whole i think he taught tolerance, love, acceptance and i think we can benefit from following his example.
i love ray franzs book in search of christian freedom.
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flipper
I respect people who feel they might still believe in the Bible or have the need for believing in Jesus. I'm just not one of those people who need to believe in it because I feel I've already saved myself.
I'm the one who escaped from a mind control cult teaching fantasy and unrealities. With the help of sites like this one, reading books like Ray Franz's books and Steve Hassan's books and much access to information that helped me gain freedom of mind- I have no need of a savior. I saved myself by educating myself. Now these last almost 13 years or so I have a bright new perspective on life- without what I would consider superstitious beliefs. But if others feel they need it- that's up to them, it's freedom of choice in this world we live in
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Utterly disgusting. Thanks for posting this Orphan Crow. WT Society needs to be exposed for the abusive organization it is and the abusive WT leaders it has needs to be exposed.
With statistics showing that about 66 % or 2/3rds of JW youth under 18 DO leave the JW organization- WT Society leaders are DESPERATE to try reaching minor children anyway they can. Stupid cartoons with mazes in them. Cartoons about ice cream , demonic play toys- you know " ordinary " stuff like that. And in the midst of it all trying to make children feel " odd " or like they are " missing out " if they don't join Sophie and give to " Jehovah " ( AKA WT Society ) their allowance money, or any money they have. It's like , " Screw your college education kids ! Let's realize our priorities in giving for " Kingdom interests " ( AKA WT Society interests ) so you'll have a " future " with " God's " organization . " Makes me want to vomit.
The more all of us talk openly to non-JW's and expose this crap- the more people will slam the door in the faces of these mind controlled drones out in service. I hope the whole organization goes down in flames some day
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California Electrician Dies After Falling 53 Stories...Possible JW and Suicide?
by JW GoneBad inhttp://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-construction-worker-falls-from-l-a-high-rise-hits-cars-dies-20160317-story.html.
social media is saying that this individual was a jehovah's witness.
can someone from the southern california area confirm this.
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flipper
This makes me sick. The jws can be such sadistic back-biters. Joseph is one of many that were driven to despair by a bunch of f****** hyenas who think they are so much holier than everyone else.
This bunch needs to be taken to task on this - you can bet Joseph did not get the professional help he needed.
Mrs. Flipper
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This takes the cake. What total a**holes.
If the watchtower has declared so many things "demonic" or "pagan" in origin - wouldn't a maze fit into that category without a lot of effort? I know that labyrinths have become popular with some modern day Christians with a bit of New Age bent. Oh, the horror- Christendom!
Mrs. Flipper
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My JW Daughter sends a Letter to us Explaining her Shunning of Me
by flipper inmy wife and i sent my 22 yr.old pioneer witness daughter and her husband a anniversary card and $ 40.00 and flowers the end of april.
my daughter wrote mrs. flipper and me each our own individual letters thanking us initially for the gifts - and then went into detail as to why she has not spoken to me for over a year and shunned me.. keep in mind as i paraphrase some of the highlights to these letters that the only negative thing i have said about the organization to my daughter in 3 years was to show her the ap news release about the child abuse settlements by the wt society .
i'll quote parts of the letter to mrs. flipper first :.
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JAYDEE- Thanks my friend. It is a tough situation- but I WILL keep fighting the fine fight. I'm not one who easily gives up. While there's life- there's hope