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  Does Morality Exist?

  by Fisherman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  some people believe that stealing, lying and killing, is not moral.

  some people don't.. does morality exist?

  if so, prove it..

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  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tPaKLJNPFE
  
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  Why the NFL Protest Is a Massive and Insulting Failure

  by freemindfade in

  1. social
  2. current

  i think everyone has the freedom to protest, they also have freedom of speech, these are two fundamental things that make america amazing.

  but thinking rationally about what is going on with the nfl, therefore, i have an unfavorable opinion of the league, and the players, not their right to free speech, but their motive and execution of it.

  constitutional freedom to protest ends at the workplace door too.

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  What Orphan Crow said- I totally agree with. People get so hopped up about the taking a knee thing- but people don't seem too concerned about a world leader like the president of the United States calling it's own citizen's " sons of bitches " in a television public speech. Can anybody tell me here where you've seen other presidents of the United States DO that in modern history since the media has existed ? I mean come on. And don't tell me it has nothing to do with the reason the " taking of the knees " happened. It does.

  What gets lost in translation here is the " Trump apologists " make excuses for Trump's sociopathic behavior which SPARKED and STARTED this freaking hassle in the first place instead of looking at Trump as the CATALYST, the spark igniter that lights the wildfire. There's a thing called " cause and effect ". There is no action - without an opposite reaction.

  So I imagine that if I called Trump a malignant, narcissistic bitch who has the social skills of a pissed off orangutan - that would be cool and nobody would be upset- right ? It's the same thing with Trump calling the North Korean leader " Rocket boy " or " Rocket man " or whatever. This president is constantly trying to ignite people one against the other. He thrives on division and controversy , thrives on driving a wedge between ideologies and thought processes. All the while shrugging his shoulders at a microphone passing the buck saying " who me " ? Then blames other people for the conflagration he began. He's like a guy in a bar who goes up to another guy gently slapping another guy's face to provoke a fight - then says " what are you gonna do about it ? " .

  I've had about enough of him to be honest. If somebody in congress doesn't start duct taping this man's mouth shut- he's gonna get us into a 3rd World War or create civil dissension the likes of which we haven't seen in some time. Oh wait- he's already done the latter. Had to voice my opinion and free rights to speech here as a concerned American citizen who often wonders who this imposter is in the White House. Feel free to shoot me with your words. I really don't care at this point- I have pretty thick skin and a justice streak deeper than the freaking ocean. I can only hope that Robert Mueller finds the dirt on this president so we can get him out of the White house
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  1st it was happy at bethel now it also appears in the KH

  by joe134cd in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  https://youtu.be/lfddxzipzga.

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  " We're so happy they're selling our kingdom hall ,

  and we might have to travel so far ,

  We're so happy Babylon the Great will fall ,

  but we'll still put our head in a jar ,

  We're so happy for our spiritual food ,

  we don't have to feed ourself ,

  We're so happy that we're never rude

  we just put our brains on a shelf ! Yeah, we're happy ! Yeah ! "

  To be sung to the tune of " Happy " . Sorry, I couldn't restrain myself. Just the songwriter coming out in me
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  Leah Remini and Scientology show

  by blownaway in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have been watching leah remini's show about scientology.

  as she interviews people i see that i was right many years ago when i said this is a lot like the jws.

  they do not go after people quite the same way but they sure are very similar in how they run their org.

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  BLOWNAWAY- Good thread. My wife and I are watching every episode of Leah's Season 2 shows right now. It's exactly like the Jehovah's Witnesses with the shunning and cruelty towards those who exit the cult. It is incredible that in a so-called " free " society like the United States that cults like the Jehovah's Witnesses and Scientology can even exist. The sooner these cults get eliminated - the better
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  Were you or someone you know sexually molested by a Jehovah's Witness ?

  by flipper in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  due to the fact there are about 27,000 members of this religion that are known pedophiles, and the information about it is kept in a secret database file, i wonder how many lurking jw's as well as others are aware of the severity of this problem?

  remember, it's 27,000 pedophiles that they know about.

  what about the thousands that don't get caught?

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  Saw that this thread had been bumped up awhile back ago. Lots of experiences here of folks who have been molested with the Jehovah's Witnesses and WT organization. Feel free to post any experiences you know of and/or how it was handled / or not by the elders within the congregation. And a big word of sincere empathy to any of you who have suffered these crimes of child abuse. WT needs to be exposed for their allowing of dangerous predators to exist within their organization. Take care, feel free to share. Sincerely, Peace out, Mr. Flipper
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  So today this happened...

  by Phoebe in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  you all pretty much know my story so i won't repeat it but.... to say i'm being hounded by my local congregation is an understatement.

  today the cobe finally found us in.

  well, i refused to answer the door but my husband did.

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  PHOEBE- I'm so sorry this elder is harassing you . This COBE probably thinks that he's a legend in his own mind because well- he's the COBE don't you know ? He's the boss of the elders so he feels empowered ( as wrong as that is ) to try to control your life.

  When I left cold turkey in 2003 the main P.O. in my congregation did the same thing to me- harassed me with several phone calls and kept telling me that the elders needed to meet with me. I told them " I don't need to meet with you I'm doing fine. " The phone calls kept coming. Eventually I just had to hang the phone up on the dickhead P.O. as it got to the point of harassment. After awhile they got the message after a few months and stopped bothering me.

  Listen my friend, these control freaks don't understand NICE. They feel they are the masters of YOU so they do NOT honor personal boundaries. You do NOT owe them ANYTHING. No explanations , no discussion, nothing. Just tell them that you are following your conscience and it's between you and " God " or " Jehovah " . And that you'd appreciate them not bothering you anymore.

  If STILL these elders keep harassing you - you can threaten them by saying that you'll get a restraining order from the courts to keep them off of your property. If they are not going to honor your personal boundaries- they deserve no respect back. It's how I look at it. I had to threaten them with a lawsuit back in 2007 when after 4 years of not attending they tried to disrupt my life . They finally backed off and the WT Society told them to leave me alone. I hope your case doesn't get to that point- but you get my drift. Don't let them push you around, enjoy your life. It will be much more stress free when these elder freaks are in your rear view mirror. Do NOT enable them. Shut them down or off. Good luck, we are with you
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  Make Your Excellent Point to a JW, But- Remember, it's a Mind Control Cult.

  by OnTheWayOut in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so i am reading from many that they have an excellent thought-stopper for jw's.

  (remember reasoning from the scriptures used "thought-stoppers?

  )"if you just show them [this scripture or use this logic or expose this problem with the organization], you will shut them down.".

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  OTWO- Good points you bring out my friend. Just being there for these JW's in a supportive, emotional kind of way as Sparrowdown did is an excellent way of giving support for sure to JW's. No need to get into a verbal pissing match with them about doctrines- it's support these folks need. I try to do that with my still-in JW family just a phone call to let them know I care. Perhaps it will sink in someday
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  Saying hello for first time

  by pimojw in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i have been sneakily looking at this forum, almost every day, ever since it began!

  it has taken me till now to actually register and contribute.

  (actually i did register with a different name in the beginning but never commented).. i am a pimo elder with a fairly long history of senior "positions" in the organization.

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  Physically In, Mentally Out - A huge welcome to you my friend. I was a born in JW myself - exited about 14 years ago - just stopped attending due to injustices happening within the organization and elders unjust treatment of others - as well towards myself. I came from a JW family whereby they were grooming me to be the next young elder appointed. Had an older brother who is a long time elder and father who was an elder since early 1950's who set the bar too high for me to jump over. I decided against " progressing " , " advancing " - whatever the powers to be want to call it - when I saw hypocrisy while serving as a ministerial servant for years in my 20's. But didn't stop attending for good until age 44 like your situation due to family concerns or reaction.

  I think we each reach our breaking point in our own time indeed, and it seems you've reached yours as well. I respect that you want to be extremely cautious about how you accomplish this especially having your wife and extended family still in the organization. If I didn't know any better a secret part of me hopes that you're my older JW elder brother. ( Just joking, but halfway serious. ) Anyway I won't go down that road.

  Welcome to freedom of mind and expression here on this board. I've been here over 10 years now and everybody has their story in how this organization the WT Society has either assisted in the breakup of their family due to the shunning process or caused them untold grief in many ways, some have lost in death relatives, i.e. parents, children, or spouses due to the no-blood transfusion policies, some rank & file JW's have been disfellowshipped due to standing up for children being molested within congregations by reporting it to police, other victims of child abuse have committed suicide due to not receiving " justice " in what they once thought was " Jehovah's loving organization " . The extent of injustices that are reeking of the smell of criminality within this organization are very comparable to what Leah Remini and Mike Rinder are exposing in the weekly show on A&E television regarding abuses in Scientology. If you get a chance I highly recommend that you watch that show and the comparisons will stagger you with what we've seen in the Jehovah's Witness organization.

  Since many of us have exited the JW organization we have become " activists " of sorts. Some of us in a quiet sort of way chatting up JW's at the cart stands in a non-combative way in order to get them thinking about realities that the mind control indoctrination of WT won't let them ponder on due to " information control " tactics employed on them from WT leaders. Some of us leave news releases from the media in a clandestine way at grocery store information boards concerning WT child abuse offenses happening as most JW's sitting in a kingdom hall are not aware of the thousands of child abuse lawsuits being brought worldwide against the WT Society currently. So some of us are involved in exposing that. But mostly the best revenge is living a calm, peaceful life full of happiness after exiting the Witnesses. Which is what I've tried to do- successfully I might add ! Love playing guitar and writing songs now !

  By being undercover as you are as an elder you have a fantastic opportunity within the position you are in to assist the stopping of unjust treatment of people within your own scope and geographical area in your congregation and neighboring congregations. Of course while remaining on the down low so you don't blow your cover. It's totally up to you how to process all of this and how to proceed in your future of course. I understand the need for privacy, confidentiality, and extreme caution. So I want to welcome you deeply to your freedom of mind and I offer my friendship and support to you as you seek clarity and reality within your inner life and outer life. I wish you all the best and keep researching and feeding your open mind . Critical thinking ability is not as bad as the WT Society has made it out to be. It can actually save our life ! LOL . Take care friend, sincerely, Peace out, Mr. Flipper
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  Do any of the current Governing Body have academic qualifications?

  by usualusername1 in

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  2. friends

  do any of the current governing body have academic qualifications?.

  thanks.

  paul.

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  " Do any of the current Governing Body have academic qualifications ? "

  You mean other than picking their nose or scratching their butts ? No, not really
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  Petition! 100,000 signatures...

  by darkspilver in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  ....are needed by tuesday 19 september 2017 !your voice in the white house.

  we the people ask the federal government to tell us what the federal government is doing about an issue: investigate watchtower bible and tract society for known child sexual abuse within its organization and not reported.. created by h.c. on august 20, 2017. save the children!

  pass a law to protect children.

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  Just signed it. Thanks for the heads up ! Peace out, Mr. Flipper