may 15, 2017 to all bodies of elders re: regular pioneers.
uk version.
What a sick, twisted letter !
The quote : " This arrangement is not a provision to allow an individual to care for sick relatives .......... " .
Indeed. God forbid the WT Society would ever make such a loving provision to care for sick relatives ! Unbelievably calloused and insensitive. Being humane and sensitive to individual needs of JW's is NOT in the WT leaders vocabulary
so i was wondering what book is the nuttiest they ever printed?
i know there are several in contention for first place but which is your vote for no 1?
also if you don't mind post a bit of what is in the book you pick to show why you picked it.
All of them are crazy. All the WT Society publications have some kind of bat shit crazy mind control indoctrination in them. It's not just the " Revelation " book or the " Babylon the Great has Fallen " book that are the most dangerous- it's even the most subtle books like the " Family " book or " Young People Ask " books that have insidious mind control indoctrination within them. It's hard to pick just one WT book that's the most dangerous- they're ALL dangerous
greetings, word lovers:.
in my job, i work with words and wrangle them into shape, well, in a manner of speaking.
one word might be mistaken for another, a word with either a similar or identical sound.
" Malignant narcissism " . Just got done reading an article in Rolling Stone magazine describing Donald Trump. My god- then I got to thinking after I read the article about all the narcissists I've known in my own life ! Including my own 91 year old elder JW dad. The psychological traits these people display are scary and deeply ingrained causing much damage to themselves and others. Word for the day for what I'm researching : narcissism. Take care, Peace out, Mr. Flipper
the pope admits to a backlog of 2000 sex abuse cases which still need to be addressed.. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/ap/article-4503202/pope-acknowledges-2-000-case-backlog-sex-abuse-cases.html.
Sounds like the Catholic Church is dragging it's heels as well in prosecuting child abusers. It's a good thing that they put more staff on to handle the crimes, but if the staff sits on their hands and does nothing- then nothing gets accomplished. Good article, thanks for posting it.
I think MANY different religious organizations drag their heels in handling child abuse because of the public fallout and negative media coverage . So the WT Society, Catholics, Baptist, Mormons, etc. - many of these organizations try to settle out of court with child abuse victims to hush it up- rather than change their child abuse policies. It shows where priorities lie with most of these religions- and it's not the needs of the abused children
i think the disfellowshipping abandonement arrangement in human relationships also to be a heavy contributor to this malady:.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/borderline_personality_disorder.
borderline personality disorder (bpd), also known as emotionally unstable personality disorder, is a long-term pattern of abnormal behavior characterized by unstable relationships with other people, unstable sense of self, and unstable emotions.
Yes, most definitely it causes it. Thanks for sharing the info. A lot of this info harmonizes with Steve Hassan's views of how damaging cult mind control is as well to cult members
quick answer: way too much!.
this is something that really gets to me, all the way back to my childhood.
twenty minutes each way, three times a week.
It was just way too disgusting how much money and time was wasted on these meetings, service, and assemblies. I was a sole provider for almost 20 years in my first marriage to a very fanatic JW wife. Worked my ass off. WE had 3 small stair step children and not only did we spend upwards of $ 400.00 to $ 500.00 to just get food, buy hotel rooms, eat out at restaurants at District conventions- I had to miss work sometimes on Friday and then my then wife would say, " let's donate to Jehovah to let him see how much we appreciate this spiritual feast " on the Sunday program - slyly squeezing another $ 50.00 or so more dollars out of our already shrinking checking account. Same JW wife who charged up $ 25,000 on credit cards mysteriously wondering " where did all our money go " ?
Sometimes I felt like the " Rodney Dangerfield " of JW's I swear. I got " no respect " whatsoever. But I know I'm not alone. There are hundreds if not thousands of you fellow EX-JW's here on this board that can identify with my story. I'm glad we are OUT ! Freedom is so sweet it feels like a spiritual orgasm each day of my life or awakening to reality these last 14 years I've been out ! We were SO trapped people. Be glad those days are gone
i'm going through an extremely hard and dark time right now and really yearned for the support of people i know in the flesh, and i really thought revealing my serious doubts and frustrations to a few close friends who became inactive several years ago would help.
they attend the memorial and no more than 2 sunday meetings each year, and haven't preached for several years, so are still technically baptised-but-inactive.. it broke my heart or at least left me feeling very alone when they all (they don't know each other and live in separate areas) told me that they can sympathise but reckon i should stay with "the truth" (their words, still) as it's the best thing there is.
it's like i'd discovered a new group of people, not pimo (physically in, mentally out, like me) but pomi (physically out, mentally in).
ISAMBARD- Sorry to hear that you experienced this letdown. Hey man- WT mind control is SO strong over even some EX-JW's - that people who have been disfellowshipped for 20 or 30 years end up going back to the JW organization. It's incredible. And shows how dangerous the WT Society hold is gripping people. Cult mind control is not easily discarded unfortunately. Many ex-JW's just don't do the work of informing themselves mentally of how we got so screwed up mentally - so the WT garbage remains in their brains for years after they exit the JW cult. It takes effort to clean out our minds and put something useful back into it. And of course many just stay in or return for family- thus sacrificing their inner souls and minds. Peace out, mr. Flipper
i am interested in finding out how you view yourself.
are really you when it comes to every day interactions....ie when at work, with family or friends, or if attending meetings?.
if still attending, do you feel you are not the real you at meetings?
Yeah, I'm really me. All 5 '8 and 200 lbs. of me. LOL.
Seriously though, I know what you're saying. It's a tough situation when we used to be JW's ( I've been out 14 years ) because it's a fake world. Everybody is fake as a JW for the most part. They all have to play a mind controlled role or keep that fake role up in order not to get kicked out - whether they believe the BS from WT leaders - or not. Even if they claim to believe in the " truth " - they still have to play a role and are enslaved- whether they realize it - or not.
I feel for you dude- I really do. If you get a chance try reading Steve Hassan's books on mind control - those books REALLY helped me after I exited the Witnesses to see just how deeply the WT Society controlled me psychologically. The tricks and schemes that cult leaders use- including WT leaders - are by design to entrap people into a closed system of thinking- a definite closed society for sure which does not allow open minded or critical thinking which causes people to have to play games and be fake in order to survive. It's NOT a healthy way to live, physically or emotionally.
In time if you can stop going to meetings you will find that not having to hear that WT mind indoctrination garbage spewed out over the platform will indeed help you be more at ease. I understand many can't stop attending cold turkey, but it will greatly assist you to think outside the JW box if you stop attending. It will heal yourself from the inside out actually. At least it did for me. I am a whole person now and I'm really me and I trust my instincts more than I ever have before. It's a peaceful feeling within. Not worrying about being judged or not needing to judge others - pretty cool stuff. Hang in there, take care, if you ever want to chat I'd be glad to chat sometime
i`m showing my ignorance here , not being an active member of any church before joining jw`s as a 19 yr old ,whenever i was ever confronted with the question of "grace" i was always at a loss to give an effective answer from a jw point of view.. was it just me ?
or did anybody else have a similar experience ?.
(ps , i dont think i ever heard the expression " grace" in a religious sense in all my 33 years in the borg.studying the wt.).
" Grace " to an average rank & file JW is pretty much " obedience " by performing WT functions is all it is to them. If they raise their hands and comment at meetings they've accepted God's " grace " , if they give a talk in the Ministry school it shows they appreciate God's " grace " , if they turn in their field service time at the end of the month it allegedly shows they appreciate God's " grace " . If they clean the kingdom hall , then they accept God's " grace " . Even ratting out another fellow believer to elders shows they are in God's " grace " . It's the same measuring stick they use to claim to be a " spiritual " person. By just performing WT functions, period mark, end of story.
A person inside their home, even at the kingdom hall can be rude, moronic, manipulative, unkind, dishonest, treat their marriage mates or children like shit, molest children, be egomaniacs, do all kinds of things within their personality that show they re NOT possessing the " fruitages of the spirit " - but by god if they get 10 hours a month in and pioneer and answer at meetings they come under and " appreciate " God's " grace " . Main thing is performing WT Society functions, they can be total jerks and still be approved . THAT is WT Society or JW grace . Pretty twisted I'd say
good morning, all.. it is good to be here.. thanks to all for your contributions.. love and blessings.
sylvia.
Got to this thread 3 days late ! Been out of town working. Good morning Snowbird- hope life is treating you well and hope your weather down there has been decent for springtime. We had a crazy winter out west- still getting rain- it might finally start warming up in May - they say- I'll believe it when we experience it. LOL. Take care friend, Peace out, Mr. Flipper
