Posts by flipper

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Why does God allow animals to suffer? Does God care about animals? What does the Watchtower teach about this?

by defender of truth in

the following article will address these questions, and attempt to answer them.. after helping jwfacts with his page on animal suffering, i decided to write this article.. it is mainly aimed at helping jehovahs witnesses and other believers in god to think about the issue, as well as the apparent contradictions in watchtower teaching.. thanks must go to jwfacts for the encouragement, and giving me permission to use an image from his page and to use some of the quotes.. also, thankyou to cofty for general moral support.. please let me know what you think everybody, and feel free to reproduce any part or all of the article on any other website, just post and let me know that you've used it on your site please.. (i'd appreciate it if anyone could post to tell me they found a point in here useful, it would encourage me to keep going).. okay, here it is:.

why does god allow animal suffering?.

does it trouble you to see animals in pain?.

flipper

If " God " cared about " animals " - he wouldn't allow the GB to keep controlling JW's. Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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Some powerful stuff against the WT

by Giordano in

in another thread a poster has been in a pitched fight with others about the results from the arc.

trying to explain away the results and minimizing the damages.

what he has failed to understand is that the society had and still does have certain policies in place that hide the sexual abuse of minors.

flipper

GIORDANO- Thanks for taking the time to start this thread and enumerate in detail for lurking JW's or newer board members who need to be brought up to speed as to the depth and extent of the child abuse crimes within the WT Society and Jehovah's Witnesses. Very good thread, please read it and research everybody. This thread is accurate and tells the real truth of what's going on inside the WT Society. Thanks again Gio

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Are baptized Witnesses that are no longer in the "truth", but were NEVER DF'D, now to be shunned and treated like disfellowshipped ones?

by Dunedain in

a relative of mine was telling me, that in his, and a few neighboring congregations, there is a little confusion amongst some of the jw's about this "issue".

some families are having a hard time about whether certain relatives will be attending certain family functions, because some family members that are no longer in the "truth", might be invited to these functions.

mind you, these persons were never disfellowshipped.

flipper

COBWEB- Thanks for the copy of the convention outline you posted, it really helps me to understand HOW some of my staunch JW relatives misinterpret this information and take it to extremes. Let me explain :

In the part you posted where it states , " Loyal Christians would not associate with " anyone called a brother " who is practicing serious sin. This is true even if no congregation action has been taken, AS MAY BE THE CASE WITH AN INACTIVE ONE. " I capitalized that part because JW's are ALWAYS through mind control OPEN to WT Society suggestion. Instead of the outline saying " as may be the case with an inactive one " - they might as well just said, " which is USUALLY THE CASE WITH AN INACTIVE ONE. " Because it means the SAME thing in a fanatic JW's mind !

The WT Society by manipulation and power of suggestion is alluding or planting the thought in JW's minds that ALL inactive ones MAY be sinning and in fact probably are- thus they should be shunned. That message will implant itself in each and every JW's brain due to the inference of " guilt " that inactive ones should be feeling ( in their opinion ) and that as a natural progression of that thought inactive JW's " MAY " be sinning which turns into " PROBABLY " they are sinning which becomes " USUALLY" which then finishes as they " ARE " sinning . When WT Society states that " it MAY be the case " that inactive ones are sinning it REALLY means " We the GB and WT leaders KNOW that inactive ones are sinning so you need to shun them . "

I guarantee you that this information gets logged into JW's minds like I just wrote. At least it DOES get implanted in my staunch JW extended families minds like that- I guarantee it does. Anybody else have a thought on that ? Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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2.16.2017 NJ Star-Ledger Ad: "Were you sexually abused by the Jehovahs Witnesses?"

by breakfast of champions in

my wife found this 1/4 page ad on page 2 of yesterday's nj star-ledger, probably the biggest newspaper in nj.

pretty telling.. .

flipper

BREAKFAST- Thanks for posting this. I hope that a good number of JW victims of child abuse and their families take advantage of these lawyers services. WT child abuse needs to be stopped dead in it's tracks. This has happened for way too long now. It's time for the financial roosters to come home to roost and financially shit on this criminal WT organization

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Last installment of the Scientology series tonight on A & E

by nonjwspouse in

10 pm est on arts and entertainment channel.

where leah began with the idea of just a few shows, i think she is now taking this on for "as long as it takes".

she is in that mode of being outraged that what she believed in so long is such a lie she wants to shout it from the rooftops, and get people to notice.

flipper

Great ! My wife and I will have to watch on xfinityondemand the " Ask me anything " episode with Hassan on it. That should be really good. Thanks for posting this

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Are baptized Witnesses that are no longer in the "truth", but were NEVER DF'D, now to be shunned and treated like disfellowshipped ones?

by Dunedain in

a relative of mine was telling me, that in his, and a few neighboring congregations, there is a little confusion amongst some of the jw's about this "issue".

some families are having a hard time about whether certain relatives will be attending certain family functions, because some family members that are no longer in the "truth", might be invited to these functions.

mind you, these persons were never disfellowshipped.

flipper

I can only speak from my own experience as an ex-JW who has been considered " inactive " for about 14 years now. Most of my devout JW extended family still in the cult DO shun me and never call me or have anything to do with me. They will take a " timeout " from that treatment like at funerals for relatives- but after my mom died it's gone back to the " same old, same old " of shunning me again. I think they view being polite at funerals as " necessary family business " - so beyond that they get back to shunning you and treating you like a piece of poop.

So yeah, something's in the wind here and I think Stuckinarut hit it on the head - the GB is paranoid and running scared and the paranoia is seeping down from the highest levels of the WT Society into the rank & file JW's

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ARC Analysis Summary of Case Files

by Richard Oliver in

i have been doing research on the arc as some people on here have suggested.

i find it interesting on the case file analysis some of the findings.

it looks like queensland and new south wales had the biggest problems with this.

flipper

RICHARD- You wrote, " That leaves only 50 offenders since 1950 that were either an elder or an MS when the act occurred " .

Really ? Come on now. That's 50 elders and MS's too many ! Don't you think Richard that if the WT Society had done their due diligence and made it a policy to do mandatory BACKGROUND checks on these prospective elders and MS's - that those 50 elders and MS's would have never had the CHANCE or OPPORUNITY to molest and abuse children ?

WT Society GB and it's leaders are the main people here through their faulty child abuse policies that are responsible for the thousands of cases of criminal child abuse worldwide within the Jehovah's Witness organization. To see it otherwise is absolutely ignoring the facts of the matter

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Has the threat of being shunned caused the organization to be unclean

by poopie in

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friends

i keep hearing stories of rank and file publishers involved in gross wrongdoing but because they fear of the possibility of being shunned they only tell those who will not report them to elders .

and they continue to go out on service and conduct bible studies and stay in good standing with cong even going to many social gatherings..

flipper

The WT organization has been " unclean " since it's inception in 1879. LOL. Shunning is just another item on a long laundry list of practices that makes Jehovah's Witness a criminal organization

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If "the Truth" is the truth, why are witnesses so scared of research?

by stuckinarut2 in

it is an often asked question i know, but it perplexes me.. if witnesses are so convinced that they have "the truth", why is the act of researching information from external sources so taboo?

didn't the bible itself tell people to "use their powers of reason" and also praised ones like the boreans for researching things they were told??.

seriously, if there is no doubt about the organization being "god's channel" on earth, and it alone having the "truth", surely researching would only enhance such 'facts'?.

flipper

One thing I forgot to add- so these WT tactics are used by FEAR and GUILT being instilled in JW's minds- so that they won't question their beliefs on anything. Forgot to say this, take care, Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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If "the Truth" is the truth, why are witnesses so scared of research?

by stuckinarut2 in

it is an often asked question i know, but it perplexes me.. if witnesses are so convinced that they have "the truth", why is the act of researching information from external sources so taboo?

didn't the bible itself tell people to "use their powers of reason" and also praised ones like the boreans for researching things they were told??.

seriously, if there is no doubt about the organization being "god's channel" on earth, and it alone having the "truth", surely researching would only enhance such 'facts'?.

flipper

Good thread Stuckinarut . I feel that many JW's are afraid of doing research outside the WT organization - because they are TOLD and INSTRUCTED from the WT Society and CONDITIONED to BELIEVE from the WT Society that ANY information outside of the JW organization is dangerous to their " spirituality ". So through this insidious tactic they are mind controlled through " information control " to not even bother researching outside information because " Satan " is allegedly in control of all information not backed by the alleged " faithful slave " or GB. Translation : GB tells them to not even bother researching outside information because that information is backed by the " devil " and is considered all lies anyway by the WT leaders.

Stuckinarut- JW's actually have a psychological disorder called " dissociative disorder" that clogs their brain neurotransmitters to not accept ANY information that is in disagreement with WT Society policies and beliefs. So until a JW's mind gets shaken up to doubt their belief system through injustice or trauma- that brain will CONTINUE to remain stuck in a " neutral " position believing unconditionally every word pouring out of the WT leaders mouth. It's actually not just a psychological condition- but a physiological condition as well. Until something causes a JW to experience cognizant dissonance- their mind stays " stuck " as it were in their belief systems.

Check out any of Steve Hassans books on mind control and he gets into this combination psychological / physiological quandary that a person under cult mind control really goes through. Breaking free of this WT control is really a much more involved process than the public or even ex-JWs themselves really realize. It's a deeply imbedded mental condition that takes years to really get rid of entirely. Hassans website is : www.freedomofmind.com. I know your wife is awakening- that's one reason I kind of went into a deeper explanation of this. Sorry for my rambling. Good luck to you both ! Take care, Peace out, Mr. Flipper