Posts by flipper

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For the Supporters of Those Who Love Jehovah

by lovesjehovah in

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i am jehovah's witness, despite some of the questionable teachings, crimes, and other outlandish behaviors of specific people affiliated with the religion.

i know that my relationship with jehovah is not influenced by any outside factors.

i do not condone any crime.

flipper

LOVESJEHOVAH- I was a born-in JW also . Raised from birth. I left the organization at age 44 about 13 years ago for very just and righteous reasons. And for standing up for what is right. Your statement, " Some people have been a part of this site for years and years. It troubles me that they would devote so much of their time into tearing down people associated with a religion and God himself. "

Well - You are insinuating that most of us here are here to just criticize- and that's just not true. Many of us care very deeply for our JW relatives and are here to assist many of the folks that you mention who have exited the Jehovah's Witnesses due to either being molested, shunned by their families, condemned for taking life saving blood transfusions, or condemned for getting a college education. Many people exiting the JW religion have committed suicide especially due to being treated unfairly by shunning or being abused by child molestation in which appointed elders or ministerial servants or higher up WT officials were either involved- or did nothing to report these crimes. So I ask you- Is it WRONG for us to speak up about these abuses continuing to happen so that justice prevails ? Or would Jehovah want us to silence the voices of abused children so we remain " obedient " to the " shepherds " of the flock who don't want these things exposed ? Do you think Jehovah approves the leaders of an organization that hides child abusers from law enforcement ? Think about it.

If you ask me I think Jehovah APPROVES of each and every one of us who tries to bring justice to abused ones in the JW religion because isn't God Jehovah a just God ?

So in your words about why you posted this thread, " I set up my booth outside and let those interested walk up. " That's what I did exactly on your thread I " set up my booth" of information for you. That's my motive in assisting you my friend. To help you use your reasoning ability that Jehovah gave you to uphold the just and right way for Jehovah in helping ex-JW's and JW's see the true light. Take care

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An Atheist Visits A Kingdom Hall

by Bangalore in

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http://nerdinthebrain.com/2015/01/25/why-i-spent-my-morning-in-a-kingdom-hall-partying-with-jehovahs-witnesses/.

he seems to have quite a positive view of jw's.. bangalore.

flipper

Welcome, NerdInTheBrain.

I've never been a JW, and never have had any interest in religion at all. But after marrying an ex-JW with family still in the church 9 years ago, I joined this board, also have read, researched and followed any news concerning the religion.

I've made good friends on this board from around the US and different countries.

I've learned that the JW religion is like Scientology in sheep's clothing. Very harmful and downright criminal at the top levels. It is most common for members to put on the "happy happy" act to convince themselves as well as others.

If anyone I knew wanted to join this church I would do all I could to prevent it.

This is why people can react with alarm when the Jw religion is depicted as harmless. I want to do all I can to prevent the pain and loss of freedom it causes.

Mrs. Flipper

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Kenneth Flodin: ‘This Generation Will ... Not Pass Away’ (Matt. 24:34)

by wifibandit in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmbpbb5k_mc

flipper

" The generation was masterfully explained........ he did such a beautiful job I'm not going to attempt to repeat it. "

Translation : " I don't even understand WTF the overlapping generation means myself so I'm not going to attempt to repeat it. " Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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Learning to live with Islam...oops, I mean Watchtower

by cappytan in

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you guys should learn to live with islam watchtower.

islam watchtower is a religion of peace.

yes, there are some at the top that say crazy things, and there are some individuals in the mosque congregation that treat people badly and try to excuse cover up terrorism pedophilia.

flipper

Yes indeed, my wife and I were just talking about the comparison between the mind control of Isis and the WT Society. Isis is more violent in the physical abuse aspect but the WT Society is just as deadly in the psychological abuse of people. The control they have over their respective groups is just as intense. And the excuses that are made by some to excuse Isis are similar to excusing the WT Society. Nice satire- thanks for posting

P.S. The general public needs to understand just how dangerous the WT Society and JW's are. People are really duped.

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Are we participants in this forum because of bouts of "loneliness"?

by Wonderment in

i wonder how many of us here hold on to this meeting place out of "loneliness.

could it be that we harbor feelings of "abandonment" and "loneliness" from being left cold and dry by the wt people and our families?

perhaps we do have a need to reach out to people with similar experiences.

flipper

What Lisa Rose said- excellent

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Decrease of numbers in Jehovah's Witnesses via Deaths, DFings, or Turning Inactive

by flipper in

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so i'm sure a good number of us saw the chart that i believe the poster splash put on another thread of figures since 1990 regarding how many baptized and % of increase each year .

i started analyzing it ( and i know some referred to it briefly on the other thread ) and guessing of reasons the % of increase didn't match the number of newly baptized.

and of course common sense tells us that either jw's leave the cult each year through death, fading into inactivity, or getting dfed.

flipper

Lots of VERY interesting points all of you folks bring up. I appreciate your comments ! I don't have time to respond to each person today - I have to work for a couple days out of town but I agree with Old Hippie in his observation that there are so many variables involved in these numbers that it's impossible to nail the numbers correctly or totally accurately. Jw's leave, then they come back and leave again- very true. And I like Lisa Rose's way of estimating the numbers over the long haul period of time from 12 % in 1986 to 1995 as compared to that exit rate increasing to 41 % from 1996 to 2005. I truly believe the WT Society really screwed themselves with the 1995 change in the new " generation theory " and it pissed off a fair number of JW's to leave.

Also what One Eyed Joe said about the numbers getting baptized will lag somewhat behind the number of new publishers is very true- although those numbers somewhat tend to catch up if some of those unbaptized publishers take the desperate plunge into the pool getting dunked at assemblies . It's an interesting thought.

Just for shits and giggles let's say that of the 3,000,000 JWs or so that appeared to possibly leave from 1990 to 2015 comprised of 1,000,000 witnesses dying that would leave about 2,000,000 over 25 years that MAY have ( not etched in stone people keep your pants on ) exited willingly via inactivity, disassociation or ( unwillingly ) through Dfing . So that would comprise about 25 % of what the WT Society claims is in the JW cult at the moment 8,000,000. Over a 25 year period. Which would of course be substantial.

Let's play the devil's advocate in a conservative way and say that even more JW's died in 25 years of that 3 million number. Let's say 1,400,000 for instance died physical deaths- that would result in 1,600,000 exiting the cult in a 25 year period which would comprise 20 % of the 8,000,000 the WT Society now claims are active JW's.

Of course I'm talking out of the side of my mouth and ass here- I get that- don't buy any property or stake a claim to what I'm saying - but it does make for interesting speculation in wondering just how MANY of these ex-JW's STAYED ex-JW's and are still out at present ? I'll take your observations and answers off the air . Gotta go get ready to go out of town. Please feel free to contribute your thoughts. I think it's great to brainstorm between us all and get different opinions. Thanks again , Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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I just found out that my youngest brother committed suicide

by SnakesInTheTower in

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my middle brother called me a couple of hours ago.

our youngest brother, josh, who was 38, was found by his friends in his apartment.

he hung himself.

flipper

Rich - Just got home from working all night and my wife told me- I'm so sorry for your loss. We send our deepest condolences to you. If you ever want to talk my friend you might have my number still . If not PM me if you need a hearing ear. Sincerely, Mr. & Mrs. Flipper

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Are we participants in this forum because of bouts of "loneliness"?

by Wonderment in

i wonder how many of us here hold on to this meeting place out of "loneliness.

could it be that we harbor feelings of "abandonment" and "loneliness" from being left cold and dry by the wt people and our families?

perhaps we do have a need to reach out to people with similar experiences.

flipper

Mrs. Flipper here - It was me who found this forum. Because of Flipper's family's awful behavior, I googled and got here. Had no clue how crazy the religion is.

Found kind people on here who were very helpful. Have no use for religion but a strong belief in freedom, so have stayed on this board to assist others.

But also because we have made great friends here. If the board shut down we would stay in touch for sure. There have been very few weirdos over the years

I wish anyone here who is lonely would try to start or go to an "apostafest" or even meet for coffee.

I'm not real social - really hate parties with polite chit chat. Painfully boring.

XJW meetups are so different - these people have been through the wringer and don't waste time with superficial bs. They are sincere. Most also develop a good sense of humor.

If you are lonely, pm someone you think well of. Several of our closest friends from here are way across the country so we talk on the phone.

Mrs. F

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Are we participants in this forum because of bouts of "loneliness"?

by Wonderment in

i wonder how many of us here hold on to this meeting place out of "loneliness.

could it be that we harbor feelings of "abandonment" and "loneliness" from being left cold and dry by the wt people and our families?

perhaps we do have a need to reach out to people with similar experiences.

flipper

WONDERMENT- This is an excellent thread, thanks for posting it. I do come here to receive support and give support and friendship back. Like some others here have stated - yes- I am very lonely at times kind of in a universal sense . I mean I have a loving wife ( who was never a JW ) who has helped a lot with getting over the cult and it's phobia's - but being raised by a strict elder dad and not exiting the Witnesses until age 44 over 12 years ago - has really done a number on my self esteem at times. I was always made to feel by my elder dad and older elder brother that I never measured up to amount to anything. And I was never acknowledged from either of them for doing anything of value in my life. Fortunately I received tons of compliments from my mom who is the one who built up my self esteem that my dad tore down.

Not to get too wordy in giving a psychological analysis of myself - LOL - I have been " dumped " by both of my JW daughters 28 and 27 years old - so far I still have not been allowed to see my only grandchild , my JW daughters new boy and he is a month old. Even in spite of sending my daughter a gift card with $ 100.00 in it- no thank you, no acknowledgment whatsoever. I have a great relationship with my 30 year old non-JW son and we are close- but he lives about 2 hours away and is busy with work and college which I'm happy for. So yes, I feel a sense of huge loss with my two daughters- it's been about 12 years since they've done anything close to " association " with me doing something fun like most " normal " families do.

I only had a couple close JW friends when I was in and those relationships are long gone now too the last 10 years or so. For which I'm thankful as they were " conditional" relationships based on whether I attended meetings or got back in the cult. Which ain't gonna happen. But this board was really a lifeline for me and I've made so many great friends here with many of you wonderful people so yes this board really assists me in my feelings of loneliness and helps rebuild my self esteem to see that I do have something valuable to offer.

My wife would often wonder why I had some doubts about how other people viewed me and I tell her it was because the JW cult sucked out my self confidence. So I worked hard over the years to restore my self confidence and trust that do have valuable assets and qualities that I can give back to people in my life not only here to people but other non-JW's in my life as well. Playing guitar and writing songs these last 4 years has been a REAL help in my healing process as well.

A deep thank you to Simon for this board and Wonderment for the thread. Simon- You don't even realize how many lives you have changed and/or saved by keeping this board going- including my life my friend - keep the great , beautiful work up - you are saving and changing lives for the better. O.K. I better stop writing as I'm starting to tear up now. The Flipper softy part of me is getting exposed. LOL

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Another JW Pedo

by wannaexit in

http://globalnation.inquirer.net/132061/filipino-in-hawaii-gets-1-year-prison-term-for-molesting-boy#ixzz3s0obqim9.

flipper

It's disgusting that this piece of filth child molester is only getting one year in prison. There needs to be stricter sentences in Hawaii and elsewhere for sure