Learning to live with Islam...oops, I mean Watchtower

by cappytan 6 Replies latest jw friends

  • cappytan
    cappytan

    Look. You guys should learn to live with Islam Watchtower. Islam Watchtower is a religion of peace. Yes, there are some at the top that say crazy things, and there are some individuals in the Mosque congregation that treat people badly and try to excuse cover up terrorism pedophilia.

    But that doesn't matter. We need to learn to live with them. Let's make every possible excuse. Stop calling Islam Watchtower an evil organization! What ever happened to tolerance! You all are bigots!

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    (in case you don't realize, this post is satire. For context and a frame of reference, see this post.)

  • freemindfade
    freemindfade

    Excellent post

  • flipper
    flipper

    Yes indeed, my wife and I were just talking about the comparison between the mind control of Isis and the WT Society. Isis is more violent in the physical abuse aspect but the WT Society is just as deadly in the psychological abuse of people. The control they have over their respective groups is just as intense. And the excuses that are made by some to excuse Isis are similar to excusing the WT Society. Nice satire- thanks for posting

    P.S. The general public needs to understand just how dangerous the WT Society and JW's are. People are really duped.

  • cappytan
    cappytan

    Mr. Flipper - I agree with everything you've said, however the mind control isn't just limited to ISIS. It's all of devout Islam.

    A moderate JW is a bad JW. Same with Islam. A moderate Muslim is really proving false to the doctrine.

  • TheWonderofYou
    TheWonderofYou

    Here is some education.

    A first picture shows a wonderful citation of Quran, the most peaceful verse in the book directly writtin in heavens.


    Next shows an english translation of the full text. How often has it been recited million times?


    The sura 5.32 so far describes the situation in old Israel, how there the mischiefs were treated,

    Maybe the most peaceful as many say, but did you read further and can you explain how a mischief in the land of islam should be treated according to sura 5,33


    Do both verses circle around capital punishment of mischiefs or in the situation of war against gods people?

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    What I would like to know, do little children who learn quoran, already read and recitate such sura?
    Is it really the most peaceful sura?

    I think these verses need explanation for the children, to see how is PEACE full-ness shall be taught today to children and to understand that the sura only were given to Mohammed for a distinct situation and should not be seen as eternal prinicples.

    BTW The peaceful sura 5,32 is a text that is copied or taken over from jewish rabbinic contemporary literature of the 8.century ( it is mistakingly referencing a rabbinical commentary found in the Talmud, namely Sanhedrin 37 a) in near asia, its a jewish description about how in old Israel they interpreted the mosaic law and adopted it in judicial procedure and in punishment. So Allah inspired Jews to write this peacful sura or to think so peacefully, that should be not forgotten.

    Here the original jewish text:

    For this reason was man created alone, to teach thee that whosoever destroys a single soul of israel, scripture imputes [guilt] to him as though he had destroyed a complete world; and whosoever preserves a single soul of israel, scripture ascribes [merit] to him as though he had preserved a complete world. Talmud Sanhedrin 37a

    Looks like a jewish Wishdom is claimed to be from Allah and the Quran alone.

    Look this link for a deeper discussion about the parallesism:

    http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Parallelism:_Sa


    Mischief = apostasy, disobidience and many other things. many interpreters thought that apostates should be killed.

  • freemindfade
    freemindfade
    TheWonderofYou

    I don't think peaceful and Islam ever belong in the sentence. Even if they are not committing atrocities they are excusing them by defending the ugly nature of the religion.

    Its says 'kills an innocent man"... the question then in how does your Quran qualify innocence??

    Quran 9:5 (the infamous verse of the sword inciting mass murder):

    "Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful."

    Verse 9:5 teaches Muslims to commit mass-murder. The kafirs must either convert to Islam, who would keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate (zakat), or be murdered. Command for unconditional slaying of humans,

    Quran 5:32-33

    In order to portray Islam as a wonderful religion, Muslims will quote the verse 5:32. It mentions "spread" mischief"

    And what does the exception "spread mischief" mean? All human beings who do not convert to Islam have declared war on Islam and Allah, are a danger to Allah, and therefore have spread mischief and must be murdered. All Apostates of Islam by rejecting Islam are spread mischief in the land. Muslim women who demand equality with men are spread mischief in the land. All Muslim girls who refuse to obey their fathers by adopting Western culture are spread mischief in the land. And on and on.

    Verse 5:33 says:

    "The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after spreading mischief in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom;"

    Teachings as contained in this verse – "they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land" – are cruel and barbaric in nature.

    Its a book of disgusting ideas

  • freemindfade
    freemindfade

    Quran 4:34...

    Sahih International: Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband's] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand.

    Pickthall: Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High, Exalted, Great.

    Yusuf Ali: Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all).

    Shakir: Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.

    Muhammad Sarwar: Men are the protectors of women because of the greater preference that God has given to some of them and because they financially support them. Among virtuous women are those who are steadfast in prayer and dependable in keeping the secrets that God has protected. Admonish women who disobey (God's laws), do not sleep with them and beat them. If they obey (the laws of God), do not try to find fault in them. God is High and Supreme.

    Mohsin Khan: Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has made one of them to excel the other, and because they spend (to support them) from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient (to Allah and to their husbands), and guard in the husband's absence what Allah orders them to guard (e.g. their chastity, their husband's property, etc.). As to those women on whose part you see ill­conduct, admonish them (first), (next), refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat them (lightly, if it is useful), but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of annoyance). Surely, Allah is Ever Most High, Most Great.

    Arberry: Men are the managers of the affairs of women for that God has preferred in bounty one of them over another, and for that they have expended of their property. Righteous women are therefore obedient, guarding the secret for God's guarding. And those you fear may be rebellious admonish; banish them to their couches, and beat them. If they then obey you, look not for any way against them; God is All-high, All-great.

    Islamic religion is vulgar and despicable. Period

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