The more any current JW researches on the Internet they will be exposed to or given access to much information indicating that the WT Society is a criminal organization. It cannot be denied anymore. People may try to deny it- but a rose is a rose is a rose. Any who stay within the organization and realize it's criminal - are really just deluding themselves into the old " ignorance is bliss " syndrome and being untrue to their own inner sense of well being or not heeding their conscience pricking at them. It's certainly an unhealthy way to live mentally , emotionally, or physically
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"The organisation is imperfect, but it doesn't affect my relationship with Jehovah"
by Alive! ini've noted active, devoted jw's state the above.. and, it's not a problem for me to remain trusting of god, i just don't trust religions or men.. recently, a member of this forum stated that he remains an active jw, in the family of god's people, wanting to encourage and do good - whilst recognising that the pastoral leaders (the gb) have shipwrecked the faith of many, being unsound scripturally etc, etc.. stop and think about this - the bible says to not follow after those who lie and hurt the faith of "little ones".. the pharisees were accused of traversing over lands and expending much energy to make a single convert - only for that convert to end up worse of than he started off with.. it's one thing to not believe this is the 'truth' and feeling the awful pressure of managing ones life, trying not to lose ones family.. it's quite another thing to declare oneself to be a christian believer of god's jw household, and somehow believe the god of love would use corrupt liars to parade as jesus' brothers in the urgency of last days.
really?
and, to then visibly promote faith in corrupt men, and try to bring converts into a place where the rulership is wrong.. some of us are dying from hurt here.......give me a break..
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Attention Lurkers- what the org is really doing
by stuckinamovement inthe message has changed dramatically from the good news of the kingdom and imitation of jesus to the following:.
1. keep your eye simple and try to find a low paying part time job so you can pioneer.
such jobs might be janitorial or house cleaning, yard care, etc.
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Any lurkers reading this. Please educate yourself on the Internet by doing research into the criminal activity of the WT Society. It's not hard to find out about it. Then you may see why the WT Society is so interested in wanting more donations. Please google Candace Conti child abuse. Or Irwin Zalkin WT child abuse. He's an attorney who is representing MANY JW children victims of abuse right now. You will find that the WT Society has been dishonest about revealing their child abuse problem to the courts. Lies have been told and the TRUTH about how bad child abuse is happening within the JW organization is being hidden from you- rank & file Jehovah's Witnesses.
Do yourself a favor and find out the real truth about the alleged " truth " today. Do not hesitate or delay. The rest of your life is there for you to live and NOT for the WT leaders to steal away. You may find out where your donations have been going. Take care, we are here for you. The WT leaders are not there for you. They want to " use " you
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May tv broadcast
by New day insomebody on another thread suggested that those still in could express their opinions on steven lett's performance.
i am still in and i was shocked, dismayed and saddened by it.
i became a witness over 30 yrs ago and the issue of donations was a non-issue for so many years.. now, it is a huge one for the org.
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NEW DAY- Welcome to the board. Many of us here were born-ins to the JW organization and raised in it from birth. I exited at age 44 over 11 years ago. I really feel empathy for you and I know how hard it hits us when we find out we've been deceived and lied to regarding the GB's motives and the motives of the leaders of the WT Society. Please realize that you are not alone in feeling this.
After I stopped attending meetings in 2003 - I was horrified to find out about the criminal child abuse policies of the WT society when I researched it in 2007 initially. It made me angry and I felt like kicking someone's ass ! To think that children were being thrown under the bus in order to keep confidential the identities of JW pedophiles. Meanwhile more JW children got sexually abused while the WT Society tried to protect it's image. As others have stated here- now it's all about the money . It's a billion $$$ organization and more child abuse lawsuits are hitting WT leaders between the financial eyes . So this gives you a little more insight as to the motive for begging rank & file JW's for more money. To cover these lawsuits AND just the pure simple fact that WT leaders want to keep leeching money out of poor JW's to further the WT billion $$$ empire. I'm glad to hear you are awakening to this reality. I know it's hard to observe- but please know we are here as a support to you, O.K. ? Take care, if you ever need some friends who understand please feel free to PM me or my wife. Hang in there
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Lett and his instruction in KMS
by JWdaughter inok, l know i am not the first to notice or likely comment on this, but as little as i respect commenting on persons, i am going to do it now.. lett seems like a charicature.
he is so strange-i cringe when i watch him speak.its as ifhe was once given advice to speak slowly and clearly and now he just talks like a cartoon.
he creeps me out.
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JW DAUGHTER- I'm not showing disrespect to Mr. Rogers. I liked Mr. Rogers- my kids grew up watching Mr. Rogers. The comparison is in regards to how Lett talks real slowwww like Mr. Rogers- as if he's talking to children. I realize Mr. Rogers was a really nice guy -
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Lett and his instruction in KMS
by JWdaughter inok, l know i am not the first to notice or likely comment on this, but as little as i respect commenting on persons, i am going to do it now.. lett seems like a charicature.
he is so strange-i cringe when i watch him speak.its as ifhe was once given advice to speak slowly and clearly and now he just talks like a cartoon.
he creeps me out.
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Lett reminds me of Mr. Rogers on steroids . He has the slowwww , simplistic style like he's talking to JW's like they're children - yet he doesn't seem as sincere as Mr. Rogers. Notice Lett's facial expressions after he smiles . He tries to appear sincere when he smiles but his eyes squeeze tightly after he smiles as if indicating tension in his face which betrays his lack of sincerity. Indeed- he creeps me the hell out as well. A plastic , fake apparent " niceness " to him. I've seen the type before -
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Richard Ashe Court Deposition - " Let elders handle child abuse- don't talk about it "
by flipper inas some of you know i was given pdf files of much of the conti and lopez child abuse court cases and asked from a friend to peruse through it and post some excerpts on the board here that may have been missed or not addressed in the pbs newshour report or the abc news nightline report.
so after going through this richard ashe testimony i feel i found something quite interesting that exposes the real attitudes of the wt society leaders towards child abuse and the attitudes wt leaders put into it's appointed men's minds as well.
the viewpoint that richard ashe displays is repeated in elders throughout thousands of jw congregations on this planet.
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As some of you know I was given pdf files of much of the Conti and Lopez child abuse court cases and asked from a friend to peruse through it and post some excerpts on the board here that may have been missed or not addressed in the PBS Newshour report or the ABC News Nightline report. So after going through this Richard Ashe testimony I feel I found something quite interesting that exposes the real attitudes of the WT Society leaders towards child abuse AND the attitudes WT leaders put into it's appointed men's minds as well. The viewpoint that Richard Ashe displays is repeated in elders throughout thousands of JW congregations on this planet.
In Ashe's court deposition on pg. 300 attorney Irwin Zalkin asked him this question, " Was it the policy of the Jehovah's Witness organization that a member who is a victim of childhood sexual abuse should NOT discuss that with other members of the congregation ? "
Richard Ashe replied, " It was encouraged that such individuals would talk to the shepherds of the congregation to get spiritual assistance . But to go out indiscriminately and talk about it with others, that's a PERSONAL DECISION they make. WE DON"T CONTROL INDIVIDUALS. " O.K. This is an out and out lie that he states here. Much evidence indicates that young JW child abuse victims HAVE been DFed in the past for telling others in the congregation that they were molested . Even JW family members of child abuse victims HAVE been DFed for talking about a child abuse situation within their congregations - so Ashe is lying when he claims that " no sanctions " are levied against child abuse victims or their families. " It HAS happened .
Now notice in Ashe's next comments how he contradicts his first statement about " not controlling individuals " . Richard Ashe continues in answering Zalkin, " But you try and help them ( child abuse victims ) to see that by talking about this with others indiscriminately , especially an allegation of child abuse that has not been proven or established by means of scriptural standard of evidence- may NOT be in the best interest of the person, NOT because of any sanction by the organization, but just by the personal response that they may receive from others, they simply DO NOT WANT TO HEAR about these things. They're not elders. They're not trained shepherds, and they may be going through situations in their own life that they can't bear hearing these things. " So let me get this straight. In this organization that claims to have the " MOST loving people " on the earth- a child abuse victim is better served to stay quiet, not seek out emotional support from his or her " loving Christian brothers and sisters or close friends ? " How does Richard Ashe get off saying that most of fellow JW's " don't want to hear about these things " ? Why ? So the elders and WT leaders won't be embarrassed that felony child abuse is alive and happening within many congregations ?
It's obvious to me and I'm sure others that the goal of the WT Society is to cause separation between victims of child abuse and their " brothers and sisters " who should be allowed to support these victims. It's a way many mind control cults use in alienating victims, or " trouble makers " who would otherwise influence rank &file JW's against the criminal WT child abuse policies which protect pedophiles- not victims of child abuse. So that's how I see this particular deposition by Richard Ashe. I welcome any and all comments, observations, or views on this. Your comments are needed to keep the public aware of the behind the scenes criminality occurring by the WT Society and it's leaders. I look forward to your views. Take care, Peace out, Mr. Flipper
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AVISHAI- Really freaking cool bro ! Congratulations ! Your part as Pulitzer looks great ! This looks like a really good movie. Wife and I will have to watch it . Thanks for sharing. My best wishes to you on your acting career. Take care, Peace out, Mr. Flipper -
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New on here
by Tony Stark inhey so i'm new on here.
just wanted to introduce myself.
in my 20's and was rasied one, and very popular among the jw community.
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TONY - NIce to have you here , you are among friends who will be a support to you. I was DFed for about 4 years and even after being out 11 years I still experience shunning from some of my JW family. Hang in there guy, we care and understand -
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My Last thoughts in Field Service Before the Elderly Man Shat Himself and Pissed his pants in My New Car!
by PokerPlayerPhil indebating this was going to be the last day in field service was not hard after dealing with a nasty mess because i was grouped with the misfits of the kingdom hall!
i was reading this website on my phone while something started to stink in my car and one of the weird kids nobody wanted to work with yelled "hey, you leaking all over my seat, he was freaked out too!
" the older, retired elder, his pioneer daughter had forgotten to put his depends on and that became my problem.
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I had a couple weird experiences out in service, one was very positive, the other very awkward.
The positive one was when I was about 25 years old in the mid 1980's, me and a buddy were working out in service and knocked on a door where you could see inside the window to a stairway coming down to the front door. After ringing the bell- immediately a really attractive approximately 30 year old lady came running down the stairs stark naked only wearing her skin ! LOL ! She looked at us and kind of shook her hands to her side and said " oh shit " ! Then she ran back up the stairs giving us a full view of her glorious backside as well ! LOL ! Apparently she was expecting her boyfriend or husband at the door - but nope it was two young testosterone filled JW men calling ! So my buddy asked me " should we leave ? " and I told him, " well even naked ladies need the good news , let's knock one more time ! " So of course she didn't answer and we left. Really bizarre experience , but one you never forget.
Another time this same buddy of mine was with me and my then wife out in service going on return visits. Another young sister in her 20's was out in service with us as well sitting in the back seat with my buddy. He really liked her and was trying to impress her and get to know her. We had this cramped Ford Pinto car with no air conditioning working in 100 degree weather in the summer. My buddy was sweating his rear end off and sadly ; had not used any underarm deodorant or any kind of smell protection. Nobody was saying anything and the smell was rank let me tell you. So I made an excuse to stop at a grocery store and asked my buddy to come into the store with me. Then I privately asked him inside the store, " dude, did you use your deodorant today ? " He asked, " Oh, is it really bad ? " I said, " yeah " - I continued, " I know your really trying to impress Sister young and beautiful - so I thought we'd get you a little help here in the store. " My friend was very thankful to me and really appreciated me saying something. So he used the deodorant before going back to the car and it was a much more pleasant ride out in service. I don't think he got the girl- but at least he saved his dignity in front of her.
Anyway- if I think of more experiences I'll chime in later ! Good thread ! Peace out, Mr. Flipper
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Mays JW TV Broadcast/Your feedback is appreciated
by ToesUp ini have a pretty good intuition but i have to admit i am going back and forth on the jw tv may broadcast.
i keep asking myself are they really in financial trouble (wishful thinking) or are they just grabbing for more money?.
i always appreciate reading everyone's thoughts and ideas on here.. let me know what you think.
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I believe the WT Society is doing quite well financially , I mean it's a billion $$$ organization, right ? However that being said- I'm sure that all of these child abuse lawsuits coming against the WT Society are causing them to leak a little financial oil here and there.
So instead of being honest in telling the real truth to JW's on JW.org that " we need more donations in order to pay out money to our young brothers and sisters who are victims of child abuse " -instead- they have Stephen Lett get up there and manufacture the reasons for needing more donations for , " congregations being built, more kingdom halls, and the rising costs of spreading the good news of Jah's kingdom." It's the ultimate con game. The ultimate BS marketing ploy using guilt to induce JW's to see a perceived " need " in the organization - and then they all pat each other on the back for helping the organization out with this alleged " need ". And rank & file are none the wiser and just lap it up like kittens lapping up cream in a saucer. Cult mind control at it's most coercive , manipulative point. Unfortunately the GB have become experts at this. To the detriment of rank & file JW's