Posts by flipper

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My father is a fg ae

by Butyoucanneverleave in

this is my first post.

i just had to get that statement off of my chest!

my father is one cold hearted judge mental, hypocritical, piece of s**t. i hate this religion and what it has done to my family!

BUTYOUCANEVERLEAVE- Welcome to the board. I have one of those that you mention as well who is a JW. My older JW mom now living in a care home is his carnage he's left in his wake of " patriarchal overlord syndrome " - now that she's being warehoused in a facility away from him he has full control without her presence to keep him in check as a nicer human being. Goes without saying that I keep in touch with my mom much more so than my dad. We are here for you my friend. Been there, seen and experienced this as well. Hang in there, take care, Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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Watchtower: You Made us Apostates!!

by kairos in

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if you are willing to pay attention to the org's history and do any kind of unbiased personal research, it's impossible to miss ttatt.. watchtower's publication archive provides all the information anyone would ever need.where are all of the "half truths and outright lies" actually coming from?

( old light ).

why, oh why, back in 1989 when i first got hooked did i not do any research into the watchtower corporation?.

flipper

I'm with Outlaw on this. WT Society made themselves "apostates " - we are the good guys and gals exposing THEIR lawlessness and dishonesty. We've never really BEEN the apostates because we have never deviated from the REAL truth about the alleged "truth" . Whereas WT leaders HAVE deviated from any REAL truth. Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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Can you discredit "wait on jehovah to fix all evil" elder's padded line even told to victims of pedophiles?

by PokerPlayerPhil in

i am sick of being told this same crap after decades of suffering at the hands of wicked men and women, how many of you have had to fight these irrational expectations we are supposed to grin and smile when people are actively trying to screw with us and elders say .

good it is that one should wait, even silently, for the salvation of jehovah (lamentations 3:26; titus 2:13).

my life in the organization has not been entirely bad, there were many good people and plenty of jerks like you all experienced in this adventure we call life.

flipper

POKERPLAYERPHIL- Would love to do lunch with you sometime. But I think you'll have to come somewhat further north, I'm up in Northern California ! LOL ! I'll PM you my private contact info with telephone # if you promise to keep it private. Thanks ! You have a PM coming. Please check

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California Attorney Tries to Pass a Ballot Advocating Genocide for Gays

by Village Idiot in

this ballot initiative put forth by matt mclaughlin, an attorney in southern california, would allow for the execution of gays by bullets to the head.

mclaughlin has to gather 365,000 signatures to put it up for a vote.

i'm in favor of gay rights but in my opinion this despicable ballot should make it to a vote knowing that it absolutely will not pass in order to publicize the demented mentality of fundamentalist christians in the united states.

flipper

This is disgusting that this attorney is doing this. Someone needs to lock McLaughlin up and get his head examined. Then take away his right to practice law as an attorney in the United States or ANYWHERE. What a barbaric jerk ! Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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Can you discredit "wait on jehovah to fix all evil" elder's padded line even told to victims of pedophiles?

by PokerPlayerPhil in

i am sick of being told this same crap after decades of suffering at the hands of wicked men and women, how many of you have had to fight these irrational expectations we are supposed to grin and smile when people are actively trying to screw with us and elders say .

good it is that one should wait, even silently, for the salvation of jehovah (lamentations 3:26; titus 2:13).

my life in the organization has not been entirely bad, there were many good people and plenty of jerks like you all experienced in this adventure we call life.

flipper

POKERPLAYERPHIL- If you insist on using a scripture to show how wrong it is for elders and the WT Society to continue harboring pedophiles - use this one when talking to them about the alleged " last days " they so aptly believe in : 2 Timothy 3 : 5, 13 , " vs.5. having a form of godly devotion but proving false to it's power....... vs. 13 . But wicked men and imposters will advance from bad to worse, misleading and being misled. "

That's a huge reason " God " doesn't handle or bring relief to WT child abuse- because WT Society leaders and elders are " imposters; wicked men who are advancing from bad to worse , misleading and being misled " - they are not backed by any supreme power such as a " God " or " Jehovah " because the evidence indicates that WT leaders are claiming to have " godly devotion " but proving " false to it's power." Doesn't get much clearer than that.

And even without using the Bible- WT leaders are just plain criminal. They aid and abet pedophiles, child molesters , and people who commit felony crimes. Even appoint them as elders and ministerial servants. That is a fact. Plenty of evidence on the Internet for that charge and it can be documented and proven. I understand your hatred towards them abusing power. I was a victim of the elders abusing their control and power as well. One reason I exited the JW cult over 11 years ago. And to this day I've continued to tell my 89 year old JW elder dad that if I had " waited on Jehovah " to bring justice to my situation- I'd still be waiting. Those same elders still serve as elders and nothing was ever done to remove them or bring justice- no apologies. So the fact that dishonest elders and unjust elders remain in their positions indicate " holy spirit " has NOTHING to do with the appointment of these men. It's a " good old boys " club and they've kissed up to the right people to be where they are in control of JW's lives.

Hang in there, whether they listen or not to you- you have to go on living YOUR life. The more you sit and stew over this you allow them to rob you of real happiness you can attain in moving on gradually from this criminal organization. It takes time to move on- but please do so in time - in order to survive. We are here for you as a support. From one who has " been there, experienced this "

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Is the Watchtower is blind to Jesus' teachings?

by Fernando in

jesus ate with common sinners declaring that they were in (matt 21:31).. jesus denounced religious leaders declaring that they were out (matt 23 esp v15).. still the watchtower persists in making their own determinations, according to their own rules, who is in and who is out (prov 17:15).

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this is why the apostate watchtower ruling religious clergy class and hierarchy surreptitiously and contemptuously hate and obfuscate the unabridged gospel which teaches that a right and clean standing is imputed on the basis of grace (faith) and not merit (works).. are their similar instances that come to mind for you?.

flipper

" Is the Watchtower Blind to Jesus Teachings ? "

I'd think that's a pretty fair assessment. Yes indeed

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Need Help, what do you do when Elders try to bully you and your family with Lies and threats? I am inactive and hate them now!

by PokerPlayerPhil in

i have a elder trying to screw with me because he protects pedophiles and claims they can be rehabilitated.

he's doing his jw attacks while nobody is around because he knows he can lie about me and my family even if there are three witnesses the jw elders don't do squat!

they cower because all the elders are terrified of this bully, he brags about how great his business is but i know so many secrets about him and his wife.

flipper

PHIL- I think the Carla you know is different than the Carla I know. The Carla I know lives in Northern California , not Southern California. Sounds like this elder is really evil and a financial extortionist. I agree with you- don't take it to the elders - they'd side with him. You need to get an attorney or get satisfaction through the small claims court ( which in California I believe is for any settlements under $ 5,000 . ) Get ANY printed or written documentation to prove your case against this guy. Even old bank records you or your wife had in dealings with him. But I would definitely speak with a non-JW attorney or financial advisor in order to seek justice. Just my 2 cents

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Need Help, what do you do when Elders try to bully you and your family with Lies and threats? I am inactive and hate them now!

by PokerPlayerPhil in

i have a elder trying to screw with me because he protects pedophiles and claims they can be rehabilitated.

he's doing his jw attacks while nobody is around because he knows he can lie about me and my family even if there are three witnesses the jw elders don't do squat!

they cower because all the elders are terrified of this bully, he brags about how great his business is but i know so many secrets about him and his wife.

flipper

POKERPLAYERPHIL- Hell yes this is a " pure " ex-JW site. What did you think it was - the kingdom hall ? LOL . Anybody is welcome here , inactive ones, DFed ones, disassociated ones, midgets, carnies, and anybody abused , thrown out, and abandoned. So welcome to the board !

Strangely enough I knew an elder who was quite wicked who had a younger wife than him named " Carla " - I hope we're not talking about the same person. What would the chances be ? He tried screwing me over too , chased after me to get me DFed a lot about 7 to 12 years ago. Probably not the same person- but feel free to PM me his name anyway just to make sure. Kind of creepy.

It sounds like this guy is a real tool. An evil guy who has extorted money from you folks and people you love. You need to take him to task for his crimes. Take him to court. Get documentation that your wife did work for him and bust his balls. People like this need a good ass kicking. Don't let him get away with it.

Years ago I took an elder to task when I was in my early 20's as he refused to pay me overtime. He got in hot water with his elders over it- but he tried to manipulate the situation due to my young age and inexperience . He never did pay me back wages he owed me . I wish you the best my friend, stand your ground. And welcome to the board

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Attitudes of WT Society Leaders Towards " Rights " of Child Abuse Victims and Elders

by flipper in

these excerpts i'm sharing with you are from the july 1st, 1989 letter from the wt society to the elders and it gives outsiders a good idea of the attitude of the wt society leaders towards child abuse victims and even towards their own appointed elders.

and it shows wt society is first, foremost, and mainly concerned about financial fallout from potential lawsuits.

one short quote was used from this letter on the abc news nightline report about candace conti - but what i'm going to share with you will be other excerpts from that same letter that are just as, or even more revealing.

flipper

FISHERMAN- You make absolutely no sense. I don't know what the hell you are trying to say. But whatever it is - carry on with whatever makes you feel comfortable. I'll carry on with the important message in this thread.

3RDGEN- Good point. I'm sure the perpetrators sue as well . But hopefully they won't get much if anything and get their due reward in prison

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Yet Another Putdown of Women! – KM March 2015

by SAHS in

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this weeks service meeting part (week starting march 23, 2015) in the our kingdom ministry under the heading meetings for field service that accomplish.

their purpose includes a little sub-article entitled when a sister must conduct.

the direct link is: http://www.jw.org/en/publications/kingdom-ministry/ click the little document download button under the one labeled km15 03-e us and then choose a format (pdf looks best)..

flipper

This is just insanity with the old patriarchal bat-$hit crazy view of women. It's ridiculous. WT leaders are so weird