Posts by flipper

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Why are so many Elders and Elders deleted so angry at the Flock?

by JWCartPusher in

has anyone else experienced the wrath of elders and ex-elders on innocent rank-and-file dubs?

what are these power hungry men and their wives so mad about?

where is the love we were promised when those witnesses spent hours indoctrinating us about the spiritual paradise of witnesses we would be joining?

flipper

" What shall I do , roll away ? " If by roll away you mean walk away from the organization- then yes, roll away. Even though I came from a very prominent JW family in my California area - I saw the injustices committed by my own elder dad for over 40 years. And I was on the receiving end of plenty of vitriol by elders who ran after me trying to DF me even 4 years after I left the JW cult. If you are on their radar- they will not stop until you either turn yourself in, give in , or come back in the organization. They will NOT give you an acceptable way to leave- if you're on their radar.

That being said one thing you can do - which I did myself- is move to another area where nobody knew you in the cult. That works very well because you don't end up bumping into these people all the time that you knew at Starbucks or grocery stores. It's nice not having to see their angry faces looking back at you. I even had elders chasing after me for awhile although I moved 80 miles away from my last congregation. Eventually they gave up when I threatened them with a lawsuit and they overturned my DFing. I won my appeal, they didn't want to drag in a tiger by the tail. They had a live one who challenged them and they didn't like it. So sometimes if they keep harassing you - then you have to fight fire with fire. But if they leave you alone- I would just as well leave well enough alone and get the hell out of their area. My 2 cents from one who has lived it

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Governing Body Member Stephan Lett Lies On JW.TV

by Finkelstein in

i thought it would be important to clearly point in the recent talk by governing body member stephan lett, that he did in fact deliberately lie concerning what he described as lies and false information by apostates, concerning the organization being permissive toward people in the organization who had been involved in pedophilia.

the truth of the matter is thats exactly what the organization has been doing and perhaps for a long time.

the recent candace conti law suit where she was awarded 28 million dollars was levied against the wts for its irresponsible behavior by the elders who gave no notification of the accused jonathan kendrick that he had been charged with pedophilia and spent months in jail for his actions .

flipper

FINKELSTEIN- You make a very good point that " JW elders and WT lawyers do not have the expertise to psychologically evaluate individuals who are mentally encased with particular sociological behavior. " Yeah, I totally agree. The GB can't even figure themselves out let alone evaluate other humans behavior- least of all determine who is a predator or who is not. Hell- WT leaders are predators themselves when you really sit back and analyze it. They prey on unsuspecting families by coercing JW's to shun family and coerce elders and others to stay silent regarding child abuse in the congregations- thus causing proliferation of felony child abuse to continue. Can't get much more predatory than that

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What did you become after leaving Jehovah's Witnesses?

by Garrett in

jw
friends

hey guys,.

so, since my leaving i have been doing so much research on so many topics that it's been extremely enlightening.

not only have i learned a lot about the organization and what motivates it, but i have also learned a lot about the bible, god and most importantly, myself.. currently, i'm not quite sure where i stand, but i'm having some real issues with the bible and god.

flipper

I became myself after exiting the JW cult. My authentic, real self, not the WT trained cult self. And I found out that I really LIKE myself. I found out I had no need to feel an inferiority complex about myself. No need for fear or guilt. And now I treasure freedom of mind. Consider myself happily agnostic and I have no interest or need to know if there is a God or not. I just need to know and trust myself. I found that works a lot better

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Long Time Lurker

by the comet in

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friends

it took a few years but i finally decided to join yesterday.

my background, born-in, still go to meetings for family reasons, i am inactive however.

if you were to ask when i first woke up i would say 2010 with the overlapping generation garbage.

flipper

THE COMET- Love your name. Pretty cool. Welcome to the board ! Nice to have you here. You are among friends. We'll do whatever we can to offer support to you. Take care

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Spock is dead

by hoser in

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friends

leonard nimoy is no longer with us

flipper

Jim, it's only human to mourn. Rest in peace Spock. Leonard you brought us lots of joy with your acting talents

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How to get my kids out

by SaneAgain in

i've been disfellowshipped for about 5 years and extremely happy to be out.

my ex wife is still a regular meeting attender and takes our two young kids with her (8 and 6 years old).

i recently saw some of the caleb and sophia videos on the jw.org website and was completely appalled, i remember what i was taught as a kid growing up in the organization but this seems so much worse and now that i'm out i can plainly see the mind control.

flipper

SANE AGAIN- Welcome to the board. I would recommend reading Steve Hassan's 3 books on dealing with mind control . His website is www.freedomofmind.com. The first book " Combatting Cult Mind Control " is good, but the next two books are even better in my opinion called " Releasing the Bonds- Empowering People to Think for Themselves " and " Freedom of Mind - Helping Loved Ones Leave Controlling People, Cults ad Beliefs ". All 3 of these books are excellent, read them and educate yourself about the best tactics to use in gradually getting your kids out of the JW cult. It's a time consuming involved process so be patient. Rome wasn't built in one night. Hang in there

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Please Welcome me

by Sofia Lose in

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friends

have lurked here for many, many years.

female, latina, middle-aged, born-in, 3rd generation jw, northeast usa.

my fate is to continue to play the game 'till death do us part because the very strong and tangled web of friends, family, business, etc.

flipper

SOFIA- Welcome to the board my friend. Nice to have you here. I have a tangled web of JW extended family as well. It can be a challenge to deal with them. We are here for you

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Governing Body Member Stephan Lett Lies On JW.TV

by Finkelstein in

i thought it would be important to clearly point in the recent talk by governing body member stephan lett, that he did in fact deliberately lie concerning what he described as lies and false information by apostates, concerning the organization being permissive toward people in the organization who had been involved in pedophilia.

the truth of the matter is thats exactly what the organization has been doing and perhaps for a long time.

the recent candace conti law suit where she was awarded 28 million dollars was levied against the wts for its irresponsible behavior by the elders who gave no notification of the accused jonathan kendrick that he had been charged with pedophilia and spent months in jail for his actions .

flipper

I agree with the points about it being ridiculous that the " branch " or WT headquarters determines WHO is a predator. Or who is even a serial child molester. The point I was making in my post from the 2012 WT letter to elders is that the WT Society leaders are not even following through on their own written directions to warn the parents in congregations about who is a predator or molester ! The GB is dropping the ball and not insisting that elders inform parents . Because of the legal ramifications, too much talk, too many loose lips talking about child abuse cases and people involved then voila ! - you have a firestorm of child abuse lawsuits BECOMING KNOWN among the congregation as well as the financial fallout- and THAT is what WT leaders want to avoid. Thus to the GB it's " silence is golden " about talking too much about the child abuse lawsuits . As Lett tried to accomplish just chalk it up to " apostates " speaking " lies " allegedly about the GB and turn the tables on where the blame should be laid.

When in actuality the blame needs to be laid squarely on the GB and WT leaders shoulders for NOT protecting and informing parents with minor children about pedophiles, predators, or child molesters in their midst. That is where the ball of responsibility is being dropped in an extreme way. And Richard Ashe is saying WT Society doesn't have that responsibility. It's being irresponsible at it's worst

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Were you or someone you know sexually molested by a Jehovah's Witness ?

by flipper in

due to the fact there are about 27,000 members of this religion that are known pedophiles, and the information about it is kept in a secret database file, i wonder how many lurking jw's as well as others are aware of the severity of this problem?

remember, it's 27,000 pedophiles that they know about.

what about the thousands that don't get caught?

flipper

Considering the fact that WT and JW child abuse has proliferated in the media and court systems recently I thought it would be a good idea for newer board members to read these 17 pages of actual personal experiences from victims of child abuse and people who knew victims of child abuse within the Jehovah's Witness organization. After reading all 17 pages it pretty well confirms that there is a SERIOUS problem of criminal child abuse not being addressed within the Jehovah's Witness organization.

If you know of anybody or were a victim of child abuse yourself, please feel free to share your story here. Lots of empathy on this board and you are not alone. Take care everybody, Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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Governing Body Member Stephan Lett Lies On JW.TV

by Finkelstein in

i thought it would be important to clearly point in the recent talk by governing body member stephan lett, that he did in fact deliberately lie concerning what he described as lies and false information by apostates, concerning the organization being permissive toward people in the organization who had been involved in pedophilia.

the truth of the matter is thats exactly what the organization has been doing and perhaps for a long time.

the recent candace conti law suit where she was awarded 28 million dollars was levied against the wts for its irresponsible behavior by the elders who gave no notification of the accused jonathan kendrick that he had been charged with pedophilia and spent months in jail for his actions .

flipper

O.K. To show that Stephen Lett is lying through his teeth about the GB protecting young minor Jehovah's Witnesses and Richard Ashe is lying through his teeth to avoid WT liability here is a direct quote from a letter from the WT Society to all bodies of elders dated Oct. 1st, 2012 regarding directions of informing parents of minor children about specific child molesters in their midst. They talk a good talk but this is NOT applied -

" If the branch office determines that an individual will be considered a predator , parents with minor children WILL NEED TO BE WARNED of the danger that exists so that they can protect their children. " It continues, " At the same time that parents are warned about an individual it would be appropriate for the elders to inform the individual that parents in the congregation will be discreetly informed. "

This does not happen. Jehovah's Witness parents are NOT being informed that potential predators or child molesters are in their midst- thus these felony crimes keep getting committed against unsuspecting children as their parents are NOT informed of who is a pedophile or child molester in congregations ! Parents and children could and probably ARE sitting in seats right next to child molesters and they wouldn't even know.

So the WT Society is doing a piss poor job of following their own guidelines and is NOT showing any sense of responsibility towards children in congregations by purposely keeping JW parents out of the loop by not informing them of WHO in these congregations is a child molester. So the child abuse problem will continue to fester until the WT Society assumes responsibility. They can talk a good talk like Lett did, but like Richard Ashe states, " elders aren't responsible for the physical welfare of children, just the spiritual welfare. " Looks like Richard's not on the same page as Lett is he ? Might it be a case of divide and conquer time between WT legal and the GB ? Whatever it is- call it what it is- criminal negligence