Posts by Cephyr13

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Public Apology & Amends

by Cephyr13 in

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i was in this forum breifly about 7 years ago.

probably no one remembers me, and the people back then probably aren't even still here...but i need to make an amends anyway for what i did.. i've been in recovery (12 step) for a couple of years now to deal with my behavior issues.

in other words, i try to make right what i've done wrong to others.

Cephyr13

I was in this forum breifly about 7 years ago. Probably no one remembers me, and the people back then probably aren't even still here...but I need to make an amends anyway for what I did.

I've been in Recovery (12 Step) for a couple of years now to deal with my behavior issues. I'm on Step 9, which is making amends. In other words, I try to make right what I've done wrong to others. The 12 Steps are basically lifted right out of the Bible and condition people how to live a God-centered life. Making amends is like the verse where it says, "If you have something against your brother, leave your gift at the alter and go make things right with him first, then come back and offer your gift."

When I was here before, I was arrogant and disrespectful of others beliefs. I tried to tell people what I saw as "the truth," rather than just appreciating everyone's beliefs and learning and sharing. I undermined the whole purpose for an online forum. I tried to tell people they were wrong and convince them I was right. But the truth is, I'm just as susceptible to being wrong as anyone else, so it's wrong of me to push my beliefs on anyone else. I apologize to the forum and to anyone I did this to. I had incredibly low self-worth, and now that I'm coming out of that, I'm seeing all of the people I hurt as a result of that. There's no excuse for what I did.

If I hurt you specifically with my behavior, shoot me an email and let me know what I did and how I can make it right.

- Brian

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How would you answer this........

by fifi40 in

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friends

this morning i had a 40 min phone conversation with my ex husband because i spoke with my 15 year old son on wednesday about the inaccuracies of the jw belief system he has been raised with by his dad.

obviously ex husband is not happy about this.

the one thing he kept saying is that even if it is wrong it is not a bad way to live your life............what would you say to this?.

Cephyr13

Just remember, if you are using the Bible properly to disprove Jehovah's Witnesses, then they must call the Bible apostate. lol You should ALWAYS fight for truth, especially when your kids are involved. Don't let him grow up in a horrible life like the JW life... It's all an illusion created by fear and mind control. No one deserves that. When you have your kid, you can show him the truth, like the ones I showed you above and he can make up his own mind. Anyone can see JW is incorrect when they look at the right scriptures and arguments.

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How would you answer this........

by fifi40 in

jw
friends

this morning i had a 40 min phone conversation with my ex husband because i spoke with my 15 year old son on wednesday about the inaccuracies of the jw belief system he has been raised with by his dad.

obviously ex husband is not happy about this.

the one thing he kept saying is that even if it is wrong it is not a bad way to live your life............what would you say to this?.

Cephyr13

The guy says even if it's wrong, it's a good way to live? Then ask him if a false Jesus came up and said, "Accept Me or go to hell" and you accept Him only to find out He's actually taking you to hell when you die,is it ok to follow this false Jesus because He teaches you a good way to live even though you're going to hell when you die?

Now for disproofs:

Jehovah's Witnesses say the Father, the Son are two different people. So they believe that Moses and Abraham and all of the other prophets saw God the Father in the Old Testament. Abraham saw Him in Gen 19. Moses saw Him on Mt. Sinai. Many other prophets said they saw Him too. Yet John says, "No man has seen the Father at any time." How do they explain this?

Here's how you explain it. First, you correct their version of the Trinity in which they say God has multiple personality disorder. You ask them, "Do you have a mind, body and spirit?" They will say yes. Then you say, "So, are you one person?" They say yes. Then you ask, "So do you also have multiple personality disorder like you think God does?" They say no. Then you say, "So you are three in one, right?" They say yes. (1 thess 5:23 shows our three separate parts, and Heb 4:12 says God can divide the soul from the spirit, therefore, were are not a soul, like JW believes. We are spirit, soul & body. The soul is the mind, will and emotions.)

Then you explain how we are created in God's image, in three parts: Jehovah (Yahweh) has three parts. The Father is the mind (which is never seen), the Son is the physical body seen in the physical world, and the Holy Spirit is the spiritual body seen in the spiritual world. Problem solved! Now when John says no one has seen the Father at any time, it makes sense, because Jesus said, "If you have seen Me, you have seen the Father." This means in the Old Testament, it was Jesus that was seen, not the Father. This means if a prophet was taken in the spirit to heaven and saw God, he was seeing the Holy Spirit. This also explains another question Jehovah's Witnesses cannot answer...

Here's the question:

Isaiah 44:6

Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts:
'I am the first and I am the last,
And there is no God besides Me.'

This means that Jehovah is the First and the Last (of which there can only be ONE first person to exist, and that is God), and there is no other God besides Him. Now listen to what Jesus says in Revelation:

Revelation 1:17-18

When I saw Him, I fell at His feet like a dead man And He placed His right hand on me, saying, "Do not be afraid; I am the first and the last, and the living One; and I was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of death and of Hades."

So, how can Jesus be the first and the last, when Jehovah said HE is the first and the last? Answer: They are the same person. Very simple.

These things destroy JW doctrine completely and expose their false Jesus who is clearly not our Jesus. Show that to your husband and get his response.

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God does not have Multiple Personality Disorder

by Cephyr13 in

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a jehovah's witness once said that the christian god of the trinity has multiple personality disorder (mpd).

this goes to show their complete lack of understanding of the trinity and how to explain it.. god does not have multiple personality disorder (mpd).

he created us in his image, having three parts.

Cephyr13

A Jehovah's Witness once said that the Christian God of the Trinity has Multiple Personality Disorder (MPD). This goes to show their complete lack of understanding of the Trinity and how to explain it.

God does not have Multiple Personality Disorder (MPD). He created us in His image, having three parts. You have mind, body and spirit. The Bible says we have "spirit, soul and body" (1 Thess 5:23) So, the soul is the mind, will and emtions. So you have a physical body for the physical world, a spiritual body for the spiritual world, and a mind/soul that connects the two. So you are three parts in one person. God is the same, but His three parts are far more powerful than ours. Yahweh's (God's) mind is The Father. His physical body is the Son, Jesus, and His spirit body is the Holy Spirit. Three in one. This unlocks the mysteries of verses in the Bible like the one in John where he says, "No one has seen the Father at any time." Why is that a problem? Because Moses saw God on Mt. Sinai. And Abraham saw God in Genesis 18. And many of the prophets say they also saw God. If they did not see the Father, who did they see? It's simple: Can you see your mind? No. Then you cannot see the Father either. They saw Jesus if they saw God in the physical world. And they saw the Holy Spirit if they saw God in the spiritual world (heaven). Jesus said, "If you have seen Me, you have seen the Father." I found out recently that this is exactly what the Baptists' teach, and I felt deprived that I had to figure it out on my own when I could've just asked the Baptists. lol

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How much trouble will I get into if I send this letter?

by inkling in

ok, so this is a unsent letter to a quite understanding and slightly .

odd jw friend.

we have had conversations in the past about my "doubts".

Cephyr13

I wouldn't send it. You have some incorrect facts in there. And besides, Jehovah's Witnesses believe in a 40,000 year old earth. They believe the dinosaurs were here before the flood...stuff like that. So, you won't have any luck with them with those facts.

The facts you have wrong are the ones where there are tribes that are supposedly 10,000 years old. No scientists has found any evidence pointing to anything like that. We cannot prove anything is more than a few thousand years old, because none of our dating methods work. Not one. They all have uniformitarianism built into their foundations, which has been shown to be completely incorrect time and time again. For instance, carbon dating requires that the carbon levels in the atmosphere have been the same for the whole of existence, yet, as we know with the global warming research, carbon levels fluxuate all the time. They go way up or way down depending on the temperature. I wouldn't give him false information.

The dating of trees is also incorrect. If you go talk to any tree farmer that takes ring samples, he'll tell you that on a good year, a tree can produce as much as 7 rings. On a bad year, a tree may barely produce one ring. It all depends on how much sun and rain it gets, and how good the soil is and the weather. Those are growth rings, not annual rings. Ice core dating is also incorrect and cannot be used for dating. Some planes in Greenland were ditched in 1942, and about 40 years later they were dug out. They had 250 feet of ice on top of them. That's up to 4,400 some odd years worth of ice if ice core dating is correct. Granted, they had been pushed under another layer, and even though that would not make the date half as old, let's cut that date in half: 2,200 years. So obviously, these planes are not 2,200 years old. The way you get ice layers is from the sun coming out and melting a layer. This happens all the time throughout the year. So, those rings are hot and cold rings, not annual rings. I can show you ice core samples on Wikipedia from the same region that the planes were found in, and those rings are about 11 years worth for 19cm. That's the calculation I used to get the 2,200 years. So obviously, that's incorrect. Ice core dating is useless.

I'd at least use real data with them, but you can't find anything dated accurately past 40,000 years, and they wouldn't believe it anyway.

By the way, God didn't create cancer. He created a perfect world, and when sin came into it, it got cursed and things changed. We're told in the Bible that the ground would produce thorns and thistles now. Then, after the flood, we're told that things changed even further, like the animals would fear mankind now and things like that. Lifespans drop from nearly 1,000 years to only 100 years in less than 400 years after the flood.

Oh, forgot one thing: those tree core samples that claim over 6,000 years old... those are two tree trunks that grew together. Threes can graft into each other. They graft branches from one tree into another tree all the time. If two trunks grow together, you get almost twice as many rings when you take a cross-section ring sample. This throws off everything. And besides, we already disproved annual tree rings as being growth rings.

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Put the Church/Hall 4th or your priority list. Lurking JWs, please read.

by A-Team in

with all of these threads about mind control, etc.

how about i post what my church believes.

i attend a large church just outside of detroit, and he has told uf often that we should live our life and post our priorities as follows:.

Cephyr13

I say that you should ask God what your priorities should be, and not trust a man (a pastor) to tell you what he thinks YOUR priorities should be. I don't agree with his priorities, especially the church priority. The Bible says, "Do not forsake the gathering together of believers." This can mean Church, a home Bible Study, or even just a group of Christian friends that get together and discuss God. No where does it say we are to attend church once a week or more.

That is NOT where we should be getting our understanding and knowledge of God from. We should be taking home what we learn from church and testing it against the Bible and trusting God to show us truth. Which would you rather trust: God, or a man (the pastor)? I'd rather trust God. Too many people now days put all of their faith in their pastor to show them truth, and do nothing about finding truth by asking God to reveal it to them in their personal studies. That's lazy and disinterest in God. This is probably the worst problem plaguing Christianity today.

Look at all the churches out there that claim they have all of the true doctrines of the Bible? Are all of those pastors speaking the exact truth of God? Obviously not, because there are so many conflicting doctrines between different denominations. Therefore, it is illogical to put our trust in a pastor to show us complete truth. But rather, we should test our pastor's sermons against the Bible and ask God to show us truth. Then we are much less likely to be mislead.

Don't let your pastor tell you your priorities. You ask God what he thinks your priorities should be and he'll reveal them to you. How can you help your own family if you cannot help or support yourself? God should be your first priority...then God will take care of you...but only to a certain extent. You must take care of yourself. I realized a long time ago that my second priority must be me. If it is not, then I will not be able to support myself, and that means I cannot support my family. After I am supported, then I can support my family...but I must keep myself "up to par" or I'll fall.

Look at it like this...a husband that refuses to go to the doctor, because he puts his family's needs first is going to end up sick and possibly dead or disabled. How, then can he help his family in either of those conditions? He can't. Therefore, putting your family's needs before your own isn't completely correct. You must do at least the minimum necessities to keep yourself supported before you can support your family. This may sound selfish, but it's not. It's being a good steward of what God gave you, so that you can use it to help others.

- Brian

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Breaking News Researchers say 'Hobbit' was separate Species. Creationist!!!

by skyking in

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2007/01/29/070129220701.161f20yf.html.

scientific evidence supports the theory that a 18,000-year old "hobbit" skeleton unearthed in indonesia was a new species closely related to homo sapiens.

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Cephyr13

I find it quite entertaining that the non-creationists actually believe carbon dating is accurate and haven't the slightest clue how it works and why it's not accurate at all. And therefore, they believe claims like an 18,000 year old "Hobbit" was found.

Truth is, carbon dating is wholely dependent on the amount of carbon in the atmosphere at the time the hobbit died. Scientists have proven that the carbon levels are still rising today. Which means there was less carbon in the atmosphere 1,000 years ago...and there was even less 2,000 years ago, and so on. The less carbon in the air, the older things appear when they are carbon dated. Scientists do not take this into account when carbon dating.

Not to mention that I've seen someone carbon date a cow's leg to be 2,000 years old, yet the cow had died that same day. The cow's other leg dated 200 years old. Gee, isn't that interesting? That 18,000 year old date for the Hobbit MUST be correct then, right? lol

The way a scientist interprets date is completely governed by their world-view. Were they taught the world was old or young? And they will interpret their data by whichever of these they were taught is correct. This is why most mainstream science is biased toward the old earth, evolution and big bang theories. It's what they were taught and so their research data results are interpreted as such.

And finally, I find it funny that people put so much stock in scientists and their finds and theories even though they keep finding out they're wrong constantly. The fact is this...when a scientist has a new "find" or interprets data, their published results should say that this is the best scientific OPINION they can give on the matter presently, but that further research and data may prove this incorrect in the future. Because that is inevitably what will happen eventually. That'd be more truthful. But no. Scienists want to make every claim appear to be solid evidence and definitely true. Why? Because they're SURE it's the truth and they don't want to show a lack of confidence in their own work. People shouldn't make judgements on scientific claims until they're better educated or better informed on the matters at hand. Otherwise, calling creaitonists or anyone else stupid is just a stupid statement made out of ignorance of the facts and understanding of their working functions in this world. It's based on the opinion of a man, and not your own findings, research or knowledge. Good job!

Hitler said, "Give me control of the textbooks, and I will control the people." That's a powerful statement.

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Creation scientist resources

by hooberus in

http://www.creationresearch.org.

http://www.icr.org.

http://www.icr.org/research/index/researchp_papers.

Cephyr13

If you guys are so smart that you can make fun of Creation Science, then please, by all means, let's debate the facts and see who looks stupid afterwords. :) Any takers?

- Brian