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  DEEP SH*T. . .but interesting sh*t

  by Terry in

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  think of greek philosophy as rock n' roll.. .

  there is still classical music, but, rock and roll overtook and dominanted popular tastes and changed the marketplace.. .

  now, think of hip hop in relation to rock and roll.. .

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  humbled

  James M. West's online article "Gnostic Enigmas in the Gospel of John" presents strong parallels to the deep sh*t you mention, Terry. He makes the point that the writer of John is very nearly the anti-orthodox gospel. In fact, elsewhere, the John Gospel is attributed to Mary the Magdalene--

  The non-canonical sayings of Jesus and the ideas you mention have given me pause to not discard the possibility--even the probability--that a thoughtful workman in the "spot" he occupied in time and place may well have framed up a god that raised the hackles of the scribes, priests and pharisees. Not more or less than a fellow who was sick of the Org. of his day.

  It's not a long read, West's bit. I'd post it here if I had the expertise to do it.

  thanks for the thread, Terry.

  Nice when we are able to think out side the box that's outside THAT box :>)

  Maeve
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  Schizophrenia

  by thedog1 in

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  that is what it feels like at the moment.

  i am leading a field service group tomorrow morning.

  taking the wt study on saturday.

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  humbled

  It is harrowing.

  When you know that you are trying to response to God as you know him and you cannot talk with honesty to your friends in faith about that God-because they would think you were infected or deranged.

  I myself ended up staying home, not answering my phone except for family members, my job and the elders voicemails. Finally when it resolved months later I got unfrozen.

  But, then, I was not an elder. Still, I did learn that the world did not end just because I did not talk to anyone or go to meetings until the situation resolved for me.

  Hang in there, dogwon.
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  Had a strange moment last night.

  by thedog1 in

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  in my line of work i have to deal with a lot of different people each day in a teaching capacity.

  sometimes, with adults that i teach, we have some informal discussions not directly related to the subject being taught, but still important as far as developing a friendly relationship in the classroom.

  anyway, yesterday i noticed that in one class the students had been given a little religious calendar in a diary form, quite a popular thing for people to do in the country i live in.

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  humbled

  My truck knew before I did that I was "out".

  After several meetings with the elders covering a certain topic I'd written Bethel about ( we were waiting for the FDS/Corporation to respond), I realized I was unable to comment at the WT study (though I'd been encouraged to participate). My heart just wasn't in it.

  Finally, there came a Sunday when I was driving to the Sunday meeting and my truck's wheels seemed to turn by themselves into an empty parking lot about a mile from the kHall. I was shaking and soon began talking to myself and crying. I kept saying over and over again: "I can't go I can't go I can't go."

  And I never went to a meeting again. Only one time more in the Hall for a final meeting with the PO and another elder to discuss the Bethel letter.

  Like you, thedog1 and all the others, somrthing deep inside knew before I did that I was done with this false life.
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  My Explanation of Why They Got it Wrong About Blood Using Only the NWT

  by cofty in

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  10 " any israelite or any alien living among them who eats any bloodi will set my face against that person who eats blood and will cut him off from his people.

  12 therefore i say to the israelites, "none of you may eat blood, nor may an alien living among you eat blood.

  15 'anyone, whether native-born or alien, who eats anything found dead or torn by wild animals must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be ceremonially unclean till evening; then he will be clean.

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  humbled

  A wonderful thing to read. This makes sense.
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  Christians, Christians where is the Love?

  by jam in

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  thousands of muslims left bangui in a massive convey friday that was .

  jeered by crowds of christians.

  one muslim who fell off a truck was.

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  humbled

  zed, Jesus & Gandhi
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  Argument with my Child "Why did I stay in the Organization so long?" Anger and Bitter Feelings.

  by RottenRiley in

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  last night my third oldest child wanted to know why we stayed in the organization so long.

  child is a third year college student enjoying all the classes this "wicked system" has to offer, the insatiable appetite for learning makes him want to argue and debate, i don't have the energy to debate because i don't feel good with all life has thrown our way.. .

  "the only reason i went to meetings so long was because grandma and grandpa needed somebody to take them to meetings and cobe aunt and uncle and secretary aunt and uncle refused to talk to grandma for years, otherwise i would have stopped attending the kingdom hall because the kids were assholes and i was always the one who had to make "first contact", "i was the one who had to go around and meet and greet newbies while the regular jw wall-flowers (calebs) ignored all the visitors and new persons visiting our kingdom hall.

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  humbled

  I don't know how long you were in, but they invited me to to the free home bible study--

  I was carefully brought along and the little rural congregation that "courted" me were loving. I didn't see the hand-writing on the wall for a long, long time.

  I too, have apologized from the bottom of my heart to my family. Seven (7!)children and my husband for 22 years of it.

  Your kids have a chance to be free and make a life. You have had a lot of adult years blighted.

  Just tell them your belief in god and the Bible made you suceptable. At least it did me.

  All the best...My kids have forgiven me.

  Maeve
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  Feeling alone...

  by bohm in

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  hey, im bohms girlfriend.

  i thought i was feeling better... i quitted the anti depressant a year ago - but now ive started again.

  i know the jw isnt the truth- but i feel so very lonely.

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  humbled

  Hi, GF

  I'm an xJW mom. 61 years old. One of my sons was baptised--He is out now and counseling has been a VERY good thing for him. Go if you can. It is hard to get oriented in life if you have never known anything but the KH community. GIVE YOURSELF TIME. and fill it with some quiet--but also with new or old interests.

  Lots of us have been in something similar to your situation.. There is a life, a good one, waiting for you to make it happen.

  Maeve
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  The Real Purpose of the WTB&TS

  by compound complex in

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  raymond franz introduces a declaration made by uncle fred:.

  still later in 1979, in fact on november 17, the day after i left .

  on a "zone" trip to west africa, fred franz, now the society's .

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  humbled

  Thanks, Coco.

  It is tough to look reality in the face. But once done, it is never so scarey again.

  I know there were great souls who were caught or born-in the WTBTS and continued to be kind and caring individuals in spite of the lies the Organization propagated. But what is false is false and it is right to call it what it is.

  Maeve
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  Health Advise Needed.

  by RottenRiley in

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  if your sister and brother died of cancer and now your body is starting to show all the effects of the disease, would you want to know even if it might mean a death-sentence?.

  my dad, sister, brother and now mom will die from this ugly disease, all of them had aggressive forms of stomach cancer, my mother's battliing it has me putting my health on the back burner because i am very obstinate and hate doctors, why should i go see a doctor if the last four people i loved all died of cancer once they got their dx?.

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  humbled

  Yep--go to a doctor. On Feb. 23 last year I was diagnosed with anal canal cancer after having symptoms.

  I went through treatment and so far it looks like I am clear of it.

  Go. To. A. Doctor.

  and stay in touch!

  Maeve
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  Marriage Consummation - emailed question has me stumped

  by jwfacts in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i received an email from a jw that got married, but the wife never had sex with him.

  they were together for a period of years.

  he told the elders, but they said there was nothing that could be done.

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  humbled

  In 1982 we lived in North Platte, Nebraska. I was still a Catholic. Trying to to get "right" with the Catholic Church meant my husband had to get an annulment for his previous marriage because, tho he wasn't a RC, his wife had been and they were married in the RCChurch.

  Papers and a fee were required to put the matter through the Marriage Tribunal.

  We didn't go that route--but that's neither here nor there in this conversation.

  But this is:

  The RCC assumes something that WTBT society does not. Catholic marriage ASSUMES sexual intercourse as integral to marriage before God. The denial of or the inability to have intercourse is liable in itself to give cause for annulment.

  "Go forth and multiply" is part of the divine mandate in Catholic marriage. Shutting down the natural avenue for reproduction is not allowed.

  Witnesses often marry with the express plan not to have children. No Catholic true-blue priest would bless such a union--but they would break one.