I.Wonder

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  If the end is near....

  by dreamer817 in

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  if the end is so close as they told me then why?

  why did they build all those new buildings up in bethel costed millions first of i wanna know how they can afford i thought they were a none profit so how you end up with millions ?

  how can they afford to pay the superentendents (rent them cars , pay there meals , lodging) where does this money come from rent stadiums for assembly's i wana know why those bigshots in bethel drive nice cars when jesus walked and the one time he rode a mule not a horse a mule !

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  Welcome to the board dreamer817!
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  My Parting Shot

  by Warlock in

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  for those of you here who think you know so much, read: "the black swan" by nassim nicholas taleb.

  then, you will see how much you really don't know.. for those of you here who think you don't know much, read: "the black swan" by nassim nicholas taleb.. then, you will see how much you really do know.. i love all of you, either way, but that was my parting shot.

  i've been here for almost a year and i must move on.. warlock .

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  I don't post as often as I liked too and I don't know everyone here but I always enjoy reading your posts Warlock. You will truly be missed!

  Best Wishes,

  IW
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  100 WT CORPATATIONS

  by badboy in

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  what are these corpatations?

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  I thought there were only five or six!

  Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc.

  International Bible Students Association

  Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses

  Religious Order of Jehovah's Witnesses

  Kingdom Support Services, Inc.

  and there is one more but i cannot recall the exact name of it. I do believe it is fairly new and for is for special missionary work. I heard something about this in late 2006. It's the New Order of........something I don't know???
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  Any current Good Standing JW, posting here?

  by NotaNess in

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  i was wondering if there are any current regular posters here that are still active , but are mentally inactive and don't believe all the bull anymore, and are just going through the motions to keep their life with friends and family together.. i realize this might be a posting that will probably get 0 replies, but.......

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  Yes, I am still "active" and in "good standing". My hubbie knows I have doubts but he doesn't know that I cut myself off emotionally from the WT.

  
  Sometimes I get really sick of living a lie and want to make a clean break, other times I want to continue fading. Fading is going very slow for me.

  When I am tired off "keeping up appearances" I just remind myself what type of mindset I'm dealing with and look at it as if I am speaking a different language. Basically when I am around JW's I speak JW.

  However I hate to validate JW beliefs by talking with them as if I still believe, but for now that is my choice. This choice to converse with them as if I still believe is what is really getting to me right now. I feel very torn about his and still haven't made a concrete decision as to how I will make my escape from the WT.

  IW
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  Follow the Who????

  by seek2find in

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  i find it interesting that the title of this years dc is "follow the christ" it will be interesting to see how they twist the theme around to "follow the christ by following the orginazation".

  i'm sure they will find the way to do so.

  any thoughts anyone???

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  I started a topic about the D.C.(http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/124840/1.ashx) back in November. Leolaia said:

  "Interesting title choice. BTW, before the 1950s, "the Christ" referred to the "anointed class" (in fact, "the anointed" is used today in the same sense that "the Christ" used to be, and "Christ" literally means "anointed").

  So when they say "Follow the Christ" they really mean "Follow the Annointed" which as we all know really means "Follow the Organization".

  I am sooo NOT looking foward this convention.
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  It's that time of year again

  by Zico in

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  the circuit overseer is in town again!

  yay!

  apparently he has a dvd presentation to show us on thursday.

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  Can you teach me how to do that?

  LOL!! If I could figure a way I would surely let you know. I guess it would be more accurate to say that I day dreamed through the entire thing. I have always been a day dreamer. So it comes quite easy for me. Just let your imagination take you away and before you know the meeting will be over with.

  I wanted to say I am sorry about your beard. I always felt bad about brothers having to shave. Maybe you could wrap your face in bandages and put some sunglasses on and tell everyone you had to have major reconstructive surgery on your face, then you could keep your beard!
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  It's that time of year again

  by Zico in

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  the circuit overseer is in town again!

  yay!

  apparently he has a dvd presentation to show us on thursday.

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  Our C.O. visit was in January and he had a dvd that showed the brothers building kingdom halls in other lands. I don't remember to much cause I pretty much zoned out through the entire thing. Don't know what it was called but I believe it was a new dvd.
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  indwelling of holy spirit

  by BlackSwan of Memphis in

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  hello you smarties out there!!!

  i have been hanging out a bit at catholic forum (http://forums.catholic.com/index.php??

  ) asking a few questions and in return answering a few here and there.

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  This may be helpful:

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shekhinah

  also by typing "shekinah" into the Wathtower cd-rom quite a few articles come up. Here is one that maybe of interest:

  Questions

  FromReaders

  It is said that in Israel’s tabernacle and later in the temple Solomon built there was the Shekinah. What was it?—A.G.,U.S.A.

  The Hebrew word Shekinah means "that which dwells" or "the dwelling." Though this term is not employed in the Bible, it is found in the Targumim, or Targums, the Aramaic paraphrases of the Hebrew Scriptures. Shekinah is used in the Targums in such Biblical passages as those related to God’s dwelling or tabernacling or residing among his chosen people. (E.g., Ex. 25:8; 29:45, 46; Num. 5:3; 35:34) In the Targums the Hebrew word "dwell" or "tabernacle" is rendered "let the Shekinah rest."—See Targum of Isaiah 48:11; 63:17; 64:3, 6.

  The Shekinah was in evidence in the Most Holy of both the tabernacle and Solomon’s temple. Within this innermost compartment rested the sacred ark of the covenant, or testimony, with two golden cherubs fashioned for its lid or cover. Making reference to this Ark, God told Moses: "And you must place the cover above upon the Ark, and in the Ark you will place the testimony that I shall give you. And I will present myself to you there and speak with you from above the cover, from between the two cherubs that are upon the ark of the testimony, even all that I shall command you for the sons of Israel." (Ex. 25:21, 22) But how might Jehovah present himself there to Moses? A fitting manner would be by means of a miraculous light. Also, the high priest would need light when he was in the Most Holy on the atonement day.—Lev. 16:11-16.

  The Shekinah in the tabernacle and in Solomon’s temple was such a light or supernatural glow. It shone between the two golden cherubs on the cover of the Ark. Just how high above the cherubs it extended or had its source cannot be determined. However, the Shekinah light was the only source of illumination in the Most Holy.

  What, then, was the significance of the Shekinah light? This effulgence in the Most Holy signified or represented God’s presence. Of course, Jehovah himself could not be confined to any literal tabernacle or temple. (2 Chron. 6:18; Acts 17:24) But this marvelous light was an indication to the Israelites that Jehovah’s favor attended them.

  According to the Jewish Mishnah, the Shekinah light in the Most Holy was one of the things lacking in the temple built under Governor Zerubbabel’s supervision.—Yoma, 21,2.

  Don't know if this is what you are looking for but maybe it will help some.

  IW
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  Women.....................A JWs view

  by vitty in

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  i was just hopping the boards and came across this discussion on e-mans site.

  its just so unbelievable how the (men?

  ) in the org still view women!

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  Terry you articulated that so nicely! I especially appreciated this:

  As we give away our time, our talent, our treasure and even our lives we are viewed as more and more worthy by the "group" we sacrifice to. We have to cease to exist to achieve the highest status!! The first assault on our personal individuality is learning how worthless we are until we surrender! Religion performs this "service" nicely.

  This is this exact reason I have such a problem with religion. I have always valued my right to be me, even with all of my mistakes and damage. I never wanted to sacrifice my "self" in order to please a religion or a god and that's exactly what I have done for so much of my youth. I am still trying to break free.

  I love your posts, you are a powerful presence here, you make me think, I thank you for that!

  IW
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  Women.....................A JWs view

  by vitty in

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  i was just hopping the boards and came across this discussion on e-mans site.

  its just so unbelievable how the (men?

  ) in the org still view women!

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  Very interesting stuff. When JW's talk about wives being in subjection to their husbands it is usually followed with a comment like "but this doesn't mean women are lower than men, it just shows that each one has his/her place in the family arrangement". Yuck! Anyone with half a brain can see how JW's feel about women and that is very evident on the discussion board that Vitty posted for us.

  I did like what one poster said:

  While it's true that women shouldn't teach in the congregation, as per God's arrangement given to us by Paul, I do wonder where Romans 16:1 factors into this, where Phoebe is mentioned, who was a minister (Greek diakonos, implying she was a deacon, or ministerial servant). Add to that the many female prophets spoken of in the Bible, and Deborah the judge, and I come to the conclusion that the current role of women in the congregation could be expanded a bit, to include ministerial tasks - perhaps minus the teaching. I know it might sound a bit radical to some, but as it is now, with sisters doing parts in the theocratic ministry school, 1 Corinthians 14:34 isn't strictly applied anyway, and perhaps Paul just gave this specific advice for the Corinthian congregation.

  The portions I highlighted are points that I thought showed some "out of the box" thinking on their part. I only wish more dubs were willing to explore these subjects further than what the Watchtower will allow.

  Thnaks for the post!

  IW of the not so submissive class