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  Do You Still Easily Believe Everything?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
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  to be a witness you had to accept whatever spiritual food was being dished out.

  even if it didn’t make any sense, we were expected to believe.

  now that we are out of the cult, do you find yourself a person who doesn’t just accept the status quo?

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  I believe in music, I believe in love
  
  
  
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  Do You Know Of Anyone That Has Seen A Therapist Because Of Being A Witness?

  by minimus in

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  i really don’t know of many people who got into therapy because of their jw dealings but i would think that if someone remains depressed or severely affected by their past witness life, it’s not a bad idea to speak to someone to get you on the right path.

  i think this site has been very therapeutic for many over the years..

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  I "got into therapy because of [my] JW dealings" but really- it was because of unresolved issues that led to me becoming a JW and then elders telling me I did not need (nor could I trust) worldly counseling.
  
  I think that most ex-JW's, and for that matter- most people, could use therapy for 6 months or longer.
  
  Edit to add: If you have any issues at all (and who doesn't?), check out Bonnie Zieman's books. Bonnie is an ex-JW and a counselor.
  https://www.amazon.com/EXiting-JW-Cult-Handbook-Witnesses/dp/1508477132/ref=sr_1_4?dchild=1&qid=1622126334&refinements=p_27%3ABonnie+Zieman&s=books&sr=1-4
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  Has anyone still in or otherwise heard anything about JWs think we only have 12 months before Armageddon?

  by blablabluh in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i’ve noticed a change in family attitude recently, like there is just something extra on their mind.

  i even had to call my brother to check if he was dying and too scared to tell me.

  anyway, i saw a video last night my saying jws think we only have 12 months left before armageddon so thought maybe this is the reason for changes attitude.

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  I guess it's time to stop worrying about your teeth or your savings and run those credit cards up.
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  Do YOU Think Biden Actually Won As President?

  by minimus in

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  or do you think trump actually won???

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  The ballots have already been officially counted, and verified via a hand count of a statistically representative subset, for an election that was conducted fairly, checked repeatedly, adjudicated nationwide and certified over and over again, for nearly seven months now.

  Every time, the checks have confirmed that Joseph R. Biden beat Donald J. Trump for the presidency. Every time, Trump die-hards have doubted the outcome.

  And so, last month, the Republican-led Arizona Senate took custody of all the nearly 2.1 million ballots from Maricopa County and then gave those ballots to a private company called Cyber Ninjas, a Florida cybersecurity firm that has never conducted an election audit, and whose CEO has been associated with social media claims that the election was fraudulent and with pro-Trump lawyers who filed election lawsuits last year.
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  As An ExJW or Fader What Do You Believe In?

  by minimus in

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  god?

  jehovah?

  science?

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  You ask what I believe in, so despite your declaring from your soapbox that science is not impartial, I believe that we have to look to science for answers. Sure there are problems with money and politics and religion getting in the way, but in the long run, science leads the way. So everyone has to look for themselves.
  
  This is what I believe:
  
  Evolution is proven beyond a reasonable doubt. The Human Genome Project and other science has clearly demonstrated that all humans are related and come from the same origins. The start of life has not been proven yet to the satisfaction of many, but if we put aside the ingrained religiousity of the masses, we can see that science is attempting to answer the questions we have and the gods of man are getting less and less important.
  
  Science has debunked the Bible and all other stories of magic on Earth to my satisfaction. The study of archeology has certainly demonstrated that the stories of the Exodus in the Old Testament are just stories and not history. There is some actual history mixed in to the stories, but there is also some actual history in modern fiction writings that place their characters in the real world. I believe that Gospel writers (including the ones beyond Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John) never expected their stories to be taken as absolutely literal. Of course that is not proven, but people who do believe in the magic of the Gospels laugh at the magic of other stories outside of that.
  
  I believe all the gods were invented by men. Even solid believers agree with me with their "one exception."
  
  I believe in the not-so-mystical karma of humanity. If you are positive, you can draw positive people to you and see the positive and good in life. If you are negative, you draw negativity and see more of the negative. But I also believe you cannot live your life ignoring the other side of that.
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  Non Believers, how do you respond ?

  by Phizzy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i recently had this in a message from a jw, a lovely person, but mind controlled, he wrote " a life without hope is no life for me".. how should i respond to that ?

  i am an atheist, but want to respond in as kindly a way as possible.. i was thinking along the lies of saying i got no comfort from what i knew to be false hope, but need to say it in a kindly way.. ideas please ?.

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  There are elderly and already dead witnesses who lived their whole lives for a future promised hope.
  If that hope turns out to be false, they wasted their entire lives in the here-and-now for nothing.
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  Significant Changes Happening - Even Though Many May Not Realize

  by JWTom in

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  i posted this item a few weeks ago (link below) with a compilation of items that could happen as the organization unravels - even though many (including myself) may find it unlikely, improbable or simply too much of a change to believe.. https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5165806634663936/drastic-upcoming-changes-accelerated-pandemic.

  as an active pimo though, i came up with the list in the above post simply from the standpoint that very significant changes have been occurring on an ongoing basis and sometimes i think even very active witnesses do not realize it.

  a few major items that have been ongoing or were singular events listed below.

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  The internet and lawsuits are the slow death of Watchtower. They will use COVID19 as an excuse to expedite some changes. They will continue their slow death regardless of what they do.
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  Why haven't they re-started the 'cart witnessing'?

  by eyeslice in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  we are nearly 18 months into this pandemic and lot has been learned and our behaviour modified to make things safer for us, e.g.

  the wearing of face masks and social distancing.. many countries such as australia, new zealand, the uk and usa either have things under control or have vaccinated a large portion of the population.

  therefore, given the very passive nature of the 'cart witnessing', i can't see why this hasn't be re-started.

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  Its further proof we are sooo near the end..only a matter of days now.

  
  Yes. Anything to promote a near-Armageddon sense among the flock.
  Plus, cart witnessing is mainly busy work to keep the members busy. In reality, a feeling of panic about COVID19 and a sense that Watchtower is taking things more seriously than the rest of the world, is better for the Cult to control the members than busy work. Plus, they don't really want to keep producing paper literature at a loss.
  
  They are probably calculating how they can sell off Kingdom Halls before they send the members back.
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  Do you still debate with JWs?

  by punkofnice in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i was talking to an ex-jw.

  not been out as long as i have.. cut a long story short, i came to realise that i can no longer be bothered to debate jws if (on the rare occasion), i have encountered them.. i think that because i am somewhere circling a nihilistic atheist it seems pointless.

  i just don't have the energy because i rarely even think about jw related garbage.

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  I tried to reason with some key close people. They didn't really give me a chance before they stuck their fingers in their ears and went "LA LA LA LA, I CAN'T HEAR THIS!"
  
  I am not interested in getting all riled up for that with JW's that are not important to me, and I don't want them to push for my DF'ing.
  
  I was prime to "debate" 10 years ago, now I am not sharp enough to really do a full debate. But it doesn't matter. The more JW doctrine changes, the more I realized it doesn't even matter.
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  It seems according to this doctor that there was always a cure for Covid 19

  by pistolpete in

  1. social
  2. current

  the media like cnn msnbc, nytimes, etc.

  have incentives to scare the public and encourage lock down--blame trump.. democrats also have incentives, to lock down the country—blame trump.

  there were incentives for hospitals to report every death as a covid death------30,000 us dollars funded from the government for every covid death reported by any hospital.

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  How do American media, Donald Trump and American hospitals cause a worldwide pandemic?
  
  What did they do to make things worse in Italy?