Crisis of conscience

by Ponyo in

does anyone know where i can buy coc for under $50?

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This whole thing is ridiculous. The author of material has a right to profit and to pass on those profits after s/he dies. But we should recognize a few things. This is a life-changing book that we know good and well, Ray Franz would rather have widely distributed as much as possible than for people to stall it's continued availability over any issues, financial or otherwise.

IF THEY WOULD JUST PUBLISH THE BOOK, then I would not say any of this. I would say, "Pay them $30 and be done with it." But having said that, they are not coming out with more needed books when a free download is available. People need to read this book. Do what you have to do.

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Why referring to Watchtower as 'the Borg' is so apt!

by UnshackleTheChains in

it's interesting that when watchtower is referred to as the borg, it immediately brings to mind the scenes where individuals such as captain piccard are held prisoner within a vast collective hive type prison and unable to leave.

they are then turned into drones.

in fact here is how wikipedia explains it.. the borg are a fictional alien group that appear as recurring antagonists in the star trek franchise.

OnTheWayOut

Is it going to be WORG now?

Nah, we can stick with BORG. If people don't care that it used to be from Brooklyn, we can say it is a Brainwash ORGanization.

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We missed you at the meetings...

by punkofnice in

how many times have you heard that trope?.

i found it more irritating than a dose of farmers on the bum.

i've even said it when i was a brainwashed jobo drone.

OnTheWayOut

"We missed you at the meetings."

Really? Because we can do lunch tomorrow if you miss me so much.

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October 2, 2017 BOE US Re: Contributions Received at the 2017 Annual Meeting

by wifibandit in

october 2, 2017 to all bodies of elders in the united states branch territory re: contributions received at the 2017 annual meeting.

OnTheWayOut

The real reason the annual meeting was opened to all members.

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Why referring to Watchtower as 'the Borg' is so apt!

by UnshackleTheChains in

it's interesting that when watchtower is referred to as the borg, it immediately brings to mind the scenes where individuals such as captain piccard are held prisoner within a vast collective hive type prison and unable to leave.

they are then turned into drones.

in fact here is how wikipedia explains it.. the borg are a fictional alien group that appear as recurring antagonists in the star trek franchise.

OnTheWayOut

It is only sorry that it is a dated reference that is getting more and more vague as young people come of age (just like SEINFELD references in our conversations).

Anyway, I definitely find it fitting. It was more fitting when it properly could be short for Brooklyn ORGanization. (I have heard that some Mormons call their former cult the MORG for Mormon ORGanization.)

Young family members are told that "resistance is futile." Members are assimilated and stop independent thought and individuality of any kind. They are misunderstood by outsiders who think they are harmless until it is too late. Members cease to be concerned with outsiders, knowing that they should only be assimilated or destroyed (by Jehovah in this case).

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Grocery Store conversation with an elder

by problemaddict 2 in

i'm inactive here to the local jw's as i have faded.

i've been slandered and all that, shunned by some but not all, but the elders basically leave me alone.

i still run into to people all over though.

OnTheWayOut

Excellent.

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Need help understanding the Overlapping Generation teaching

by Jules Saturn in

so this is a topic that seriously boggles my mind and please correct me if i'm wrong.

to me, the jw definition of the overlapping generation teaching is that the lives of the anointed from 1914 overlap with the lives of the anointed right now.

david splane used the example of fred franz and how he finished his "earthly course" in 1992 but while he did, he had a lot of "contemporaries" that outlived him and are currently living today.

OnTheWayOut

You don't need help understanding the overlap generation. Your opening post shows you understand it as well as any JW. Your thoughts about the single generation seeing all those things by 70 AD is the JW understanding.

My research helped me to see this also:
(from https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/177960/40-years-generation-past-1874-thats-all)

Here's the real simple version of the complicated doctrine of when Jesus supposedly returned and the last days arrived/ended/started.
William Miller said that Jesus' Return would be in 1844. (See The Great Disappointment at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Disappointment ) People who believed what he said were known as "Millerites." It (Jesus' return) didn't happen. This return of Jesus was also known as his second advent, and believers came to be known as Adventists.
Adventist Jonas Wendell suffered in his faith at the Great Disappointment, but later carried the same type of "Millerites" talk in a sermon where Wendell had picked the new date of 1873 or 1874 for Jesus' 2nd return (after studying Bible chronology and being wrong about 1868). 18 year old C. T. Russell heard Wendell in 1870 speak of such a date. Wendell had already published The Present Truth, or Meat in Due Season highlighting such dates. So Wendell invented those terms that would haunt the WT organization and morph into New Light and food at the proper time.
Wendell died in August of 1873, probably confident that his 1873 to 1874 date was correct. When Jesus didn't appear as expected, Russell still believed it (or at least wanted to keep selling pamplets that explained it). He taught that Jesus must have returned invisibly, meaning that Jesus was ruling from Heaven starting in 1874. He taught that 40 years later, a literal application of how long a "generation" was, in 1914, Jesus would take power on the earth. That would mean an end to the Gentile Times in 1914 and an end to the last days- destruction and death and stuff.
Because World War One (coincidentally) started in 1914, Russell used that as a sign that he was correct in his complicated doctrines. He was already good at reinventing understanding rather than admitting he was wrong.
All the rest is just calculated backwards- the stuff about 607 BCE and the 2520 years and the Seven Times.
All of it was just made to fit that understanding. When things didn't work out as planned (again) the people in charge just reinvented the understandings and adjusted the math to fit whatever they wanted it to fit to sell more pamphlets/magazines/books. The end of the last days became the beginning of the last days. 1874 was forgotten. They just kept changing the end-date. They even made terrible errors and just changed the math to fit- they forgot there was no "Year Zero" and changed 606 BCE to 607 BCE.
They kept 1914 because it was so well-known to the followers and they already said "See, we were right" when World War One started. Everything about Nebuchadnezzar and the destruction/building of the temple was just made to fit the math. You can find anything if you work backwards. It's like writing a Sherlock Holmes story. Just work backwards from what a great detective would expect to find and make him look like a genius in discovering those things.
It is so unnecessary to understand the ridiculous theories of WT's present understanding when you can see what it was based on and how it changed to suit their need to get a following and sell pamphlets/magazines/books. It saddens me that I bothered to understand it at one time.

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GB Member Guy Pierce Memorial Card

by pale.emperor in

http://library.jw-wayback.org/jw-wb/photos-pictures/people/guy%20pierce%20(1934-2014).pdf.

interesting to read his backstory.

a little sad that they refer to his first marriage as "guy married a woman with 2 children".

OnTheWayOut

"In his years of raising a family, Guy experienced a divorce, raised his adopted children, his own children, and his step children."

The thing reads like "divorce" is a benefit because he understands what people go through. A perfect spiritual leader for the nuclear family.

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Wt members

by pimojw in

i have seen various threads about who is really in charge (som suggest layers and accountants) and threads re the wt society directors.

what about the wt voting members?

has this been discussed?.

OnTheWayOut

I don't know how the voting members have influence or control or could take it.
I do know that there are so many different avenues that could cause a coup.

But Rutherford did that and didn't make things better.

What the heck difference does it make to the rank and file who is really running the show? All the members know is that the end of the world is coming any second now and to obey until the end.

It's a dangerous mind-control cult. It doesn't need fixing. We need people to get out of it.

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Local JW mom among the victims of the Vegas shooter

by TTWSYF in

rhonda lerocque attended the kingdom hall of wilmington, ma.

my brother and his family were part of that cong back in the day, although i don't know if they knew.. a mother, wife, sister, daughter, etc, etc.. please pray for her and all of those involved..

OnTheWayOut

I doubt I will run into any JW's spouting how such a tragedy shows the need for God's Kingdom, but if I do......

.....I will say, "God would have killed all of them and billions more if his kingdom arrived."

OnTheWayOut

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"We missed you at the meetings."Really? Because we can do lunch tomorrow if you miss me so much.

"We missed you at the meetings."

Really? Because we can do lunch tomorrow if you miss me so much.