Posts by OnTheWayOut

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Make Your Excellent Point to a JW, But- Remember, it's a Mind Control Cult.

by OnTheWayOut in

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so i am reading from many that they have an excellent thought-stopper for jw's.

(remember reasoning from the scriptures used "thought-stoppers?

)"if you just show them [this scripture or use this logic or expose this problem with the organization], you will shut them down.".

OnTheWayOut

A poster on FB said something to the effect that they shut down JW's and they were not able to answer at all.
When I heard what the FB poster said, I had a JW answer in mind instantly. It doesn't even have to make sense to you, it just has to seem to be right to them so they can say "That was not a GOTCHA question."

It was something like this shortened version below, but to be fair to the FB poster, it was much longer and more detailed. Still, it boiled down to FB poster thinking the JW's cannot answer this.:

FB- So I asked them what good killing all the evil sinners will do, because it was already done at the flood and evil came back.

"They had no answer."

I immediately knew the JW answer.

JW- The flood had to prepare the way for Jesus. The world was too evil, not ready to receive the son.
The difference between that destruction at the flood and the next one is that inherited sin still existed in humans, but after the destruction at Armageddon, the ransom can be applied to eliminate inherited sin and evil will be eliminated for good.

Oh, there's plenty of problems with that over-simple answer, but that just doesn't matter to a JW. They know the answer to say. Maybe some are not sharp enough to come up with that right away, but they can leave a conversation and go find that answer.

jp1692, "Never discuss doctrine" is a good idea. jwfacts has nice summaries of changed doctrines.

days of future passed, I read you. I recently discussed Joel Osteen in the Houston area not opening his building to hurricane victims and I piled it on with Joel's excuses. My wife fully agreed that wasn't right for Joel to do what he did. I then switched to JW's and their Assembly Hall near there, stating that I haven't read of Watchtower opening up to anyone, even members to come there and receive aid and a place to sleep. I even got to say how, at Sept. 11th, Brooklyn Bethel made sure to close their doors as a wave of people needed a place of safety as the cloud of rubble drove them that way.

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Do any of the current Governing Body have academic qualifications?

by usualusername1 in

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do any of the current governing body have academic qualifications?.

thanks.

paul.

OnTheWayOut

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L49VXZwfup8

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If we could ask the Disciplines today this one question.

by pleaseresearch in

imagine if we had an opportunity today to ask any of the faithful disciples this question.. who resurrected jesus?.

what would their response be... if they still remembered what jesus said in john 2:19-22.

19 jesus replied to them: “tear down this temple, and in three days i will raise it up.”+ 20 the jews then said: “this temple was built in 46 years, and will you raise it up in three days?” 21 but he was talking about the temple of his body.+ 22 when, though, he was raised up from the dead, his disciples recalled that he used to say this,+ and they believed the scripture and what jesus had spoken.. .

OnTheWayOut

You suppose too much when you suppose these men actually existed and it all happened as was written in what I am sure are 4 fictions chosen out of several.

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What is sin?

by sinboi in

what do you consider sinful?

okay, i know many of you no longer believe that there is a god.

just bear with me a little, just assumed that there is a creator or god.

OnTheWayOut

Sin is an invention of religion, designed to make people feel guilty toward God for violating some man-made rules supposedly from said God. Religion then provides a way for people to feel less guilty by donating their lives, or at least their money, to the religion.

I cannot pretend and answer within your hypothetical situation.

There are laws and morals outside of religion. You may break the law. You may act immorally. But to sin, you need religion.

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How Many Here EVER Considered Going Back To Meetings?

by minimus in

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once i left ,i was done.

in over 10 years i didn't return except for my mother's funeral.

did you ever re enter the kh after you left?.

OnTheWayOut

I left after the Memorial of 2007, but I have been back a few times. I went to the Memorial one year later, but that was on a tropical island and due to specific circumstances. I went to one wedding and two funeral talks, the latter being my father-in-law last year.

It's tough, being married to an active JW, to just say NO to entering a Kingdom Hall. It sort of feels like giving power to tWatchtower the same way some members say that used furniture from a garage sale is possessed by demons. The way to prove this is nonsense is to keep your garage sale chair. Well, to prove it has no power over me, I will attend an occasional event like a funeral talk. I doubt I will be going to any JW weddings anymore.

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Make Your Excellent Point to a JW, But- Remember, it's a Mind Control Cult.

by OnTheWayOut in

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so i am reading from many that they have an excellent thought-stopper for jw's.

(remember reasoning from the scriptures used "thought-stoppers?

)"if you just show them [this scripture or use this logic or expose this problem with the organization], you will shut them down.".

OnTheWayOut

So I am reading from many that they have an excellent thought-stopper for JW's.
(Remember REASONING FROM THE SCRIPTURES used "thought-stoppers?)

"If you just show them [this scripture or use this logic or expose this problem with the organization], you will shut them down."

I say this because many think this will win them brownie points, either with the strangers at the literature cart or with their family members.

Use your point if you can. It could help. I was freed from Watchtower because of a revealing that it was not really "the truth."
But don't be over-excited that your excellent point will work. Most of the things we come up with are either over a JW's head or beyond their boxed-in thinking. And when it is something they can compute (or can reach their strong sense of right-and-wrong), Watchtower has taught them to automatically reject it.

I read often, that "They have no answer for [this]." And yet, when I read it, I know the standard JW answer. Even if a current JW doesn't know how to answer, they first reject the thought and then either dismiss it or go find the standard JW answer.

I don't mean to be so negative. Points CAN work sometimes to start a JW down the path of discovering the truth about The Truth. I just know that I have commented a few times recently to those that are so sure of their doctrinal flaws that they think virtually any JW will be disturbed by it.

I would say what works for me, but my loved ones are still JW. I will say that I tend to follow the Steve Hassan recommendations to be genuine and be "there" for these people. Send a card and/or photos, give a call if they let you. Just let them know you are ready to have a proper relationship. Good day.

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J.W. dogma refuted by their own RNWT Bible

by The Fall Guy in

perhaps potential j.w.

recruits can use this example on their study conductors - and then witness the cognitive dissonance at first hand.. w98 2/1 p. 11 par.

13 – “when jehovah made his covenant, it was only with israel; those of the “vast mixed company,” although present, were not named as participants.”.

OnTheWayOut

I was schooled by old-time JW's. I don't even have to really fully understand your point to give a JW answer.

NO, Christendom is not just being selective with scriptures. They take them out of context and they twist them.
Watchtower enlightens us with understanding using the whole Bible. If you think a point is taken out of context or too selective, we will be glad to study with you and show you how the entire Bible is in harmony and points to God's Kingdom as the solution to man's problems.

(Hold on while I pile on.) And Christendom refuses to keep up with the chariot. Any seeming contradictions are eventually cleared up by continually examining the scriptures and praying for guidance (and reading the latest crap from WTS).

(We will show you that Watchtower somehow covers both sides of an issue over the years and refers back to whichever quote we need to prove the current understanding.)

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What really should be the role of Women in the congregations?

by Old Navy in

the presumably "biblical" practice of limiting the way women participate in congregational matters of the wtborg cult inc. (as well as certain other sects of christendom) may be a gross mis-interpretation of what paul meant.

i'm inclined to agree completely with this account of what paul really meant.. thoughts anyone?

aren't women more deserving of greater participation and respect?.

OnTheWayOut

In any religion that doesn't treat women as equals, as we have finally been enlightened about sometime in the 20th century, the only place we should find women is outside the doors on the way out.

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Your Top Ten Favourite Movies?

by LoveUniHateExams in

just thought i'd start a thread about favourite movies.

mine, in no particular order, are .... alien - a great visual film.

the chest-bursting scene is still great to watch, no matter how many times i've seen the movie.

OnTheWayOut

My answer depends on my mood. Here's a list from right now when I typed this, but it could change tomorrow:

The Matrix
It's a Mad Mad Mad Mad World
The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly
Unforgiven
Runaway Train
Blade Runner
The Sting
Star Wars, A New Hope
The Terminator
12 Monkeys

....and Rocky would be in most mood lists.

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My Mothers Ultimate Rejection

by What Now? in

i went into my mother's office to leave her a small note to say that we love and miss her and would love to get together.

i found this on her desk.

this is jehovah's witnesses.

OnTheWayOut

Just wanted to say I am so saddened to read this.