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  Do any of the current Governing Body have academic qualifications?

  by usualusername1 in

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  do any of the current governing body have academic qualifications?.

  thanks.

  paul.

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  OnTheWayOut

  Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!!!!!

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L49VXZwfup8
  
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  If we could ask the Disciplines today this one question.

  by pleaseresearch in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  imagine if we had an opportunity today to ask any of the faithful disciples this question.. who resurrected jesus?.

  what would their response be... if they still remembered what jesus said in john 2:19-22.

  19 jesus replied to them: “tear down this temple, and in three days i will raise it up.”+ 20 the jews then said: “this temple was built in 46 years, and will you raise it up in three days?” 21 but he was talking about the temple of his body.+ 22 when, though, he was raised up from the dead, his disciples recalled that he used to say this,+ and they believed the scripture and what jesus had spoken.. .

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  OnTheWayOut

  You suppose too much when you suppose these men actually existed and it all happened as was written in what I am sure are 4 fictions chosen out of several.
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  What is sin?

  by sinboi in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  what do you consider sinful?

  okay, i know many of you no longer believe that there is a god.

  just bear with me a little, just assumed that there is a creator or god.

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  OnTheWayOut

  Sin is an invention of religion, designed to make people feel guilty toward God for violating some man-made rules supposedly from said God. Religion then provides a way for people to feel less guilty by donating their lives, or at least their money, to the religion.
  
  I cannot pretend and answer within your hypothetical situation.
  
  There are laws and morals outside of religion. You may break the law. You may act immorally. But to sin, you need religion.
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  How Many Here EVER Considered Going Back To Meetings?

  by minimus in

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  once i left ,i was done.

  in over 10 years i didn't return except for my mother's funeral.

  did you ever re enter the kh after you left?.

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  OnTheWayOut

  I left after the Memorial of 2007, but I have been back a few times. I went to the Memorial one year later, but that was on a tropical island and due to specific circumstances. I went to one wedding and two funeral talks, the latter being my father-in-law last year.
  
  It's tough, being married to an active JW, to just say NO to entering a Kingdom Hall. It sort of feels like giving power to tWatchtower the same way some members say that used furniture from a garage sale is possessed by demons. The way to prove this is nonsense is to keep your garage sale chair. Well, to prove it has no power over me, I will attend an occasional event like a funeral talk. I doubt I will be going to any JW weddings anymore.
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  Make Your Excellent Point to a JW, But- Remember, it's a Mind Control Cult.

  by OnTheWayOut in

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  2. friends

  so i am reading from many that they have an excellent thought-stopper for jw's.

  (remember reasoning from the scriptures used "thought-stoppers?

  )"if you just show them [this scripture or use this logic or expose this problem with the organization], you will shut them down.".

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  OnTheWayOut

  So I am reading from many that they have an excellent thought-stopper for JW's.
  (Remember REASONING FROM THE SCRIPTURES used "thought-stoppers?)
  
  "If you just show them [this scripture or use this logic or expose this problem with the organization], you will shut them down."

  I say this because many think this will win them brownie points, either with the strangers at the literature cart or with their family members.

  Use your point if you can. It could help. I was freed from Watchtower because of a revealing that it was not really "the truth."
  But don't be over-excited that your excellent point will work. Most of the things we come up with are either over a JW's head or beyond their boxed-in thinking. And when it is something they can compute (or can reach their strong sense of right-and-wrong), Watchtower has taught them to automatically reject it.

  I read often, that "They have no answer for [this]." And yet, when I read it, I know the standard JW answer. Even if a current JW doesn't know how to answer, they first reject the thought and then either dismiss it or go find the standard JW answer.
  
  I don't mean to be so negative. Points CAN work sometimes to start a JW down the path of discovering the truth about The Truth. I just know that I have commented a few times recently to those that are so sure of their doctrinal flaws that they think virtually any JW will be disturbed by it.
  
  I would say what works for me, but my loved ones are still JW. I will say that I tend to follow the Steve Hassan recommendations to be genuine and be "there" for these people. Send a card and/or photos, give a call if they let you. Just let them know you are ready to have a proper relationship. Good day.
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  J.W. dogma refuted by their own RNWT Bible

  by The Fall Guy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  perhaps potential j.w.

  recruits can use this example on their study conductors - and then witness the cognitive dissonance at first hand.. w98 2/1 p. 11 par.

  13 – “when jehovah made his covenant, it was only with israel; those of the “vast mixed company,” although present, were not named as participants.”.

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  OnTheWayOut

  I was schooled by old-time JW's. I don't even have to really fully understand your point to give a JW answer.
  
  NO, Christendom is not just being selective with scriptures. They take them out of context and they twist them.
  Watchtower enlightens us with understanding using the whole Bible. If you think a point is taken out of context or too selective, we will be glad to study with you and show you how the entire Bible is in harmony and points to God's Kingdom as the solution to man's problems.

  (Hold on while I pile on.) And Christendom refuses to keep up with the chariot. Any seeming contradictions are eventually cleared up by continually examining the scriptures and praying for guidance (and reading the latest crap from WTS).

  (We will show you that Watchtower somehow covers both sides of an issue over the years and refers back to whichever quote we need to prove the current understanding.)
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  What really should be the role of Women in the congregations?

  by Old Navy in

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  2. beliefs

  the presumably "biblical" practice of limiting the way women participate in congregational matters of the wtborg cult inc. (as well as certain other sects of christendom) may be a gross mis-interpretation of what paul meant.

  i'm inclined to agree completely with this account of what paul really meant.. thoughts anyone?

  aren't women more deserving of greater participation and respect?.

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  OnTheWayOut

  In any religion that doesn't treat women as equals, as we have finally been enlightened about sometime in the 20th century, the only place we should find women is outside the doors on the way out.
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  Your Top Ten Favourite Movies?

  by LoveUniHateExams in

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  2. entertainment

  just thought i'd start a thread about favourite movies.

  mine, in no particular order, are .... alien - a great visual film.

  the chest-bursting scene is still great to watch, no matter how many times i've seen the movie.

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  OnTheWayOut

  My answer depends on my mood. Here's a list from right now when I typed this, but it could change tomorrow:
  
  The Matrix
  It's a Mad Mad Mad Mad World
  The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly
  Unforgiven
  Runaway Train
  Blade Runner
  The Sting
  Star Wars, A New Hope
  The Terminator
  12 Monkeys

  ....and Rocky would be in most mood lists.
  
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  My Mothers Ultimate Rejection

  by What Now? in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i went into my mother's office to leave her a small note to say that we love and miss her and would love to get together.

  i found this on her desk.

  this is jehovah's witnesses.

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  OnTheWayOut

  Just wanted to say I am so saddened to read this.
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  Freudian slip in last Sunday's WT?

  by The Fall Guy in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i had this point highlighted to me yesterday by a dyed-in-the-wool j.w.

  who is beginning to see cracks in his beloved golden calf of warwick.

  so encouraging to hear his disgruntlement with org-related topics.. “many in the christian congregation may not have expected their loved ones to die this side of armageddon.” (july 2017 study wt).

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  OnTheWayOut

  I am starting to suspect that they are trying to just say what they know is on the minds of believing members.
  
  They say the GB (or anointed or whatever) are not "inspired" and can make errors in direction.
  They say how members did not expect to die "in this system."

  It's a way of saying you addressed these issues when members use them to question the organization.

  It sounds like a bad idea to me, but who knows?