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  did you feel guilty ,when ignoring disfellowshipped ones ?

  by looloo in

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  i was having an affair with a pioneer at the time and a girl who was disfellowshipped was in the loo at the hall (she actually had not done aything scriptually wrong (but the elders thought she had ) i tried to smile at her as i felt i was not in a position to judge anyone as guilt was destroying me but she just looked down at the floor , 14 years later we are good friends and both "free".

  when you were "in" and ignored disfellowshipped did you ever think "im not in a position to judge anyone " ?.

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  BabaYaga

  I didn't ignore them.

  I was counselled for that indiscretion.

  Ironically, I left because I knew shunning was wrong. In doing so, I brought the possibility of shunning upon myself.
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  Persecution Wanes/Banning Blood Garners Publicity

  by compound complex in

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  sheer madness --- perpetuated by two madmen who prevailed over the judge [almost].

  "after the judge's death, as world war ii was ending and persecution against the witnesses began declining, along with the attendant drop in news-media publicity, hayden c. covington told the author [of the four presidents] that fred franz saw the prohibition against blood transfusions as a way to accomplish two things: to continue to publicize the religion, and to create an uproar in the community.

  this reaction would convince the membership they were being "persecuted" and "suffering for righteousness sake," a sure sign they were "in the truth.".

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  BabaYaga

  I just found this, and I am stunned and sickened. I keep thinking nothing can surprise me about the Watchtower and the Organization anymore.

  CoCo, thank you so very, very much for bringing this to our attention.
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  Anger, hate, suffering

  by sd-7 in

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  i find myself feeling angry.

  i'm starting to realize that the anger i feel at this religion seems to feed on itself.

  soon, i will be tried for my 'crimes' by men who honestly don't believe themselves to be policemen.

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  BabaYaga

  Hi, Christopher. You are in the right place, in that most of us on this forum have been in the place you are now. We feel you.

  You will be happy to know that the Anger is just a stage. It can be a good thing... it is a natural progression of healing in your recovery from a loss.

  From Wiki:

  The Kübler-Ross model, commonly known as the five stages of grief

  Stages

  1. Denial — "I feel fine."; "This can't be happening, not to me."
     Denial is usually only a temporary defense for the individual. This feeling is generally replaced with heightened awareness of situations and individuals that will be left behind after death. [1]
  2. Anger — "Why me? It's not fair!"; "How can this happen to me?"; "Who is to blame?"
     Once in the second stage, the individual recognizes that denial cannot continue. Because of anger, the person is very difficult to care for due to misplaced feelings of rage and envy. Any individual that symbolizes life or energy is subject to projected resentment and jealousy. [1]
  3. Bargaining — "Just let me live to see my children graduate."; "I'll do anything for a few more years."; "I will give my life savings if..."
     The third stage involves the hope that the individual can somehow postpone or delay death. Usually, the negotiation for an extended life is made with a higher power in exchange for a reformed lifestyle. Psychologically, the individual is saying, "I understand I will die, but if I could just have more time..." [1]
  4. Depression — "I'm so sad, why bother with anything?"; "I'm going to die . . . What's the point?"; "I miss my loved one, why go on?"
     During the fourth stage, the dying person begins to understand the certainty of death. Because of this, the individual may become silent, refuse visitors and spend much of the time crying and grieving. This process allows the dying person to disconnect oneself from things of love and affection. It is not recommended to attempt to cheer up an individual who is in this stage. It is an important time for grieving that must be processed. [1]
  5. Acceptance — "It's going to be okay."; "I can't fight it, I may as well prepare for it."
     This final stage comes with peace and understanding of the death that is approaching. Generally, the person in the fifth stage will want to be left alone. Additionally, feelings and physical pain may be non-existent. This stage has also been described as the end of the dying struggle. [1]

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  I do want to leave you with another quote, however: "Resentment is like taking poison and waiting for the other person to die."

  (Origin of quote unknown. Malachy McCourt said it in an interview, but earlier sources quote an unknown Alcoholics Anonymous meeting member.)

  Christopher, be good to yourself. Be patient and kind. Allow yourself to feel the anger and sadness for a while, but don't let it become you.

  You will emerge from this victorious and wise.

  Love and strength to you,
  Baba.
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  I Miss Compound Complex!

  by snowbird in

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  his through a darkened pane snippets were a welcome respite from the ubiquitous political and doctrinal wrangling on jwn.. do come back soon, coco.

  your forlorn alabama friend.

  sylvia.

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  BabaYaga

  Agreed, Sister Sylvie Snowbird! Agreed. I hope he can at least check in at the library this week...
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  The WT LIE re "Sign" of the "Generation"

  by AGuest in

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  to the household of god, israel, and all those who go with... may you have peace!.

  the following excerpt was posted from paragraph 14 of the wtbts article, "the holy spirits role in the outworking of jehovahs purpose":.

  14 what does this explanation mean to us?

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  BabaYaga

  Greetings, Dear AGuest! So good to see you.

  A dear friend of mine left the organization during the 1995 generation change. We'd better be sure to leave the porch light on...

  Love,
  Baba.
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  Shared Child Abuse News with JW about Nancy Garrido being a JW

  by flipper in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  went to the post office the other day and saw this older jw , an elder, was outside holding the wall up leaning on it while being frozen standing there like a mannequin holding watchtowers and awakes .

  i had one of my news releases from a sociologist explaining that phillip garrido used nancy garrido and the jehovah's witnesses to get out of prison so he could have access to children for sexual crimes ; thus enabling him in 1991 to kidnap jaycee dugard.

  the title of the article is : " sex offender phillip garrido used jehovah's witnesses to get early parole ".

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  We love you, Mr. Flip!!!!
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  Have you Been Shunned Even Though Just Considered " Inactive " ?

  by flipper in

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  many of us here on the board are " inactive" , myself included.

  have not attended meetings or gone out in service for years.

  i haven't now for 6 years + .

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  BabaYaga

  Yes.
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  All Right I'm a Little Freak Out-> Psyhic Thread Warning!

  by frankiespeakin in

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  okay here's what happened:.

  my sister who i'm living with just came down stairs to tell me she was on the internet with her daughter and husband talking to this psychic and she was all nervous and excited.. she know i don't believe in the stuff, btw the last two girlfriends i had lived with on and off were both claiming to be psychic, and they were 40-60% correct but i could see that what they predicted were mainly driven by their own ego's, so i never put much stock in what they did just humor them.. so she said that this guy(psychic) was 100% correct.

  she asked him questions like:.

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  BabaYaga

  Frankie, read the link that Nelly gave. It explains why your niece can do it and nobody else can. Sorry to spoil the fun. Here is a paste from Nelly's link:

  Peteranswers.com: The Magic Tricks Revealed

  
  First, instead of typing in the petition box, “Peter, please answer the . . .” begin by instead typing:

  “.”

  That’s right. Simply type a period. What happens next is pure magical genius.

  Instead of seeing what you’d expect (a “.”) you see a “P”. Then type whatever the heck you want and the rest of the phrase “Peter, please answer the following” appears.

  As long as nobody pays any attention to where your fingers are actually landing the prank works slick.

  The trick to the prank is to here type in the answer to whatever question you are going to ask next. When you’re done just keep typing until the phrase is complete. Whenever you hit the “:” your cursor will jump to the next box–where you’ll type in the actual question.

  Hit return and bingo! Whatever you really typed into the petition box appears.

  peteranswers.com and peter answers for advanced users

  Once you get the hang of how peteranswers.com works, it won’t be long before you run into a little snag. The problem is, sometimes your answer is much shorter (has fewer characters to type) than the 41 keystrokes it takes to type “peter please answer the following question”:

  There are actually three ways to solve this problem:

  1. Type another “.” When you do this, the program opens back up and shows exactly what you are typing again. For example, if your “answer” was “Lisa.” That’s only 4 keystrokes, which would take you to “Pete” in the petition. Just type another “.” after the last letter of your answer. Now you’ll have “Peter” and from now on you can continue typing the rest of the petition, “please answer the following question:”
  2. Another option is to fake it until you get to “Peter, please answer.” You don’t have to keep punching keys until the entire long petition is filled out. Just remember to type the “:” when you’re done.
  3. The final way to make this work is to simply play dumb. Pretend you lost control of your fingers and type a “:” when you’re done. As soon as you type the “:” you’ll skip to the next box. Just say “oops” or something and keep going.

  So there, my dear friends. The truth has set you free. Once the mystery of peteranswers.com is solved, the novelty wears off pretty quickly doesn’t it?

  And if you’re a school teacher, it’s really fun to watch two things:

  1) The air escaping from the Peter Answers carriers as they lose their power, and

  2) The enlightenment of one who only recently had been losing their minds in a state of confused awe.
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  If You Really Want to Bring Down Jehovah's Witnesses (for your peace of mind)

  by AllTimeJeff in

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  get them to think.. do you have loved ones?

  friends?

  stuck in the cult?.

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  BabaYaga

  AllTimeJeff said:

  So the attack is like water on rock, small ideas pounding on something that appears impenetrible, but in reality, is slowly giving ground to the natural forces against it, forces that will ultimately bring them down,.

  Beautifully phrased!

  It's not about the borg. It's about the people inside.

  Exactly... bravo!
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  my mum taught us very valuable lessons about Jehovah in her special way. Any other parents out there as psycho?

  by God Chick in

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  ok before i start i know my mum was um "special" and had some, well...... bizzare training ideas.. .

  i was one of 7 kids, dad didnt help much coz he was sick, so my mum was left to run the 'ship' and she did it with an iron fist.. .

  we were never late for a meeting we sat, parents and 2 kids in one row the other 5 in row in front.

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  BabaYaga

  God Chick, I am so very sorry you and your siblings had to endure the wrath of a deranged person. As others have pointed out... physical child abuse under the guise of "discipline" is rampant and encouraged at many Jehovah's Witness Kingdom Hall meetings (at least it certainly was when I was growing up.)

  This thread is making me physically sick.