http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/ebayisapi.dll?viewitem&item=6958602668
up for auction is a hardbound edition of the "kingdom ministry school textbook" published by the watchtower bible and tract society, jehovah's witnesses, for use by elders only.
because this was used in the course of a school, it has much underlining and many marginal notations.
There is an article on the 6 things elders are not supposed to put on DF forms on my website at http://www.docbob.org/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=9
(just go to the "Organization" section and then the article is entitled "DF Form No-no's"
DocBob (of the 'I wish I had kept my Flock book' class)
has anyone read it?
or any thought on his concepts here?.
the basic thought is that fear [a negative driving force] will motivate us from the outside, but it is better to turn to positive inward drives to get life fulfillment.. his thought is that 'fear of being insignificant' is the primary drive in society [primarily western society i think].. i could not help but see all the connections to jdub thinking while reading it.
Boteach should know a bit about JWs. He's Michael Jackson's friend.
several months ago, i asked a friend of mine from church to become my "accountability partner.
" basically, someone that meets with me once a week and we share what is going on in our lives.
the point is to share joys, unburden griefs, pray together, pray for each other, be brutally honest with each other, study the bible together, etc.
I like that old saying - "Works are the fruit, not the root, of salvation."
has anyone here ever gone to a witness school.
you know the school jw's set up to keep their kids separate from the world.
you would have the daily text every morning and of course a kingdom song had to be sung.. i'd love to hear your experiences.
This one appears to still be running ---> http://www.newsystemschool.org/
after i posted a news item on my website about charges in a lawsuit against rick ross being dropped in federal court, a couple who is still involved in the lawsuit contacted me.
they are jim bergin and judy garvey.
as i read their site, especially jim's article a husband's perspective , i could not help but be stuck by the similarities between many of their experiences and ours.
After I posted a news item on my website about charges in a lawsuit against Rick Ross being dropped in Federal Court, a couple who is still involved in the lawsuit contacted me. They are Jim Bergin and Judy Garvey. They are former members of the Gentle Wind Project (GWP) and the counts against them in the lawsuit are still being persued.
Check out Jim and Judy's website at Wind of Changes. As I read their site, especially Jim's article A Husband's Perspective , I could not help but be stuck by the similarities between many of their experiences and ours.
Obviously this is a very important case for Jim and Judy, but I think it also important for former Jehovah's Witnesses who run websites that are critical of the Watchtower as well as former members of all sorts of groups who speak out against the groups with which they were once a part. There are links to the legal documents involved in their case on their website. Take a look at the lawsuit itself. Count 1 of that suit still stands against Judy and Jim. As you read it, think about what would happen if the Watchtower Society filed a similar suit against all the former JWs who run websites.
If the Gentle Wind Project prevails in this case it will set a very dangerous precendent. This should be of particular concern given the Watchtower Society's recent activity aimed at limiting the expression of former Jehovah's Witnesses on their websites.
Jim and Judy also have a legal defense fund going. There are links with information about it on their website.
the wife and i just got back from the kingdom hall this afternoon.
some of you may recall that said we would be going back today for a memorial of a close friend of the family.
so i thought i would share the experience.. i have to start out by saying just getting ready to go was interesting.
JW funerals are all done from an outline. There is a note on the outline specifically telling the person doing the talk not to eulogize. See a copy of the outline on my site at: http://www.docbob.org/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=20 -- Just click on Documents, and then Funeral Discourse Outline.
if a person doesn't go to meetings nor in the field service, he's considered "inactive".
an inactive person is not an apostate.
if an inactive person joins a forum like this one, he is automatically considered an apostate by the watchtower org.
Here are a couple quotes from the WT on this:
WATCHTOWER BIBLE AND TRACT SOCIETY OF NEW YORK, INC.
117 ADAMS STREET BROOKLYN, NEW YORK 11201, U.S.A. PHONE (212) 625-1240
September 1, 1980
TO ALL CIRCUIT AND DISTRICT OVERSEERS
Page 2
Keep in mind that to be disfellowshiped, an apostate does not have to be a
promoter of apostate views. As mentioned in paragraph two, page 17 of the
August 1, 1980, Watchtower, "The word 'apostasy' comes from a Greek term
that means 'a standing away from,' 'a falling away, defection,' 'rebellion, abandonment.
Therefore, if a baptized Christian abandons the teachings of Jehovah, as presented by
the faithful and discreet slave, and persists in believing other doctrine despite Scriptural
reproof, then he is apostatizing. Extended, kindly efforts should be put forth to readjust
his thinking. However, if, after such extended efforts have been put forth to readjust
his thinking. he continues to believe the apostate ideas andrejects what he has been
provided through the 'slave class, then appropriate judicial action should be taken.
This is not to say that you or the elders should go on 'witch hunts,' as it
were, inquiring into the personal beliefs of your brothers. Rather, if
something reasonably substantial comes to the attention of the elders along
this line, it would be appropriate to make a kindly, discreet inquiry so as
to protect the flock. We cannot overemphasize the need to be cautious,
discreet and kindly as such situations are dealt with.--James 1:19, 20.
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"Apostasy."
"Persons who deliberately spread (stubbornly hold to and speak about)
teachings contrary to Bible truth as taught by Jehovah's Witnesses are
apostates." (Pay Attention to Yourselves and to All the Flock, 1991, p. 94)
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hey all i just moved to manchester, nh and wondered if anyone lived in the area.
Welcome! I'm in Kittery Maine - about 45 minutes away. There is an ex-JW-Meetup group that meets in the Manchester-Concord area. Check out http://exjw.meetup.com/108/boards/
Bob
on wikipedia, the online encyclopedia, under the topic christian congregation of jehovah's witnesses.
it states:.
publicly announced in january of 2001, the christian congregation of jehovah's witnesses is a legally recognized corporation which distinguishes the religious order known as jehovah's witnesses from the other corporations operated by their organization.
For years, we were told that the elders and ministerial servants were appointed by the governing body. After I was appointed as an elder, I found that was not the case. I was rather surprised when we recommended another man to be an elder and the form (s-302) came back confirming his appointment. The form was signed, not by the governing body, but by the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc. I don't know how the forms have been signed since CCoJW was formed, but for the years previous to that, the elders were appointed by the WTB&TS of NY Inc, and therfore should be considered as agents of that corporation. All that was just one more straw.
i was wondering if anyone knew anything about him.?.
the princeton library has got diarys and papers etc he wrote from when he was attorney for the wts .
the diaries date from 1931-1951 theres also an unpublished book manscript called "christs glorious church" and also discriptions of legal proceddings.including some of j f rutherford.. princeton said that the diarys have never been published and no i cant get copies, but could see it by visiting whoich is not possible for me.. has anyone seen the diaries ,the book or legal papers?
You can find the text of Moyle's letter to Rutherford on my site at http://www.docbob.org/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=21
(It's in "Content" under "Documents")
