free2beme, I think there are two (or more LOL) conversations going on in this thread. I agree 100000% percent that JWO is a cesspool, and that letting rude nasty troublemakers back here is a horrible idea that shouldn't happen. But the two people mentioned in the original post of this thread -- changeling and beksbks -- have nothing to do with JWO and are not hateful pot-stirrers.
I'm just saying, I think it should be considered to allow those two specific individuals to return. NOT any of the nasty haters.
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Dearest Simon...please help some of our old (and banned) friends.....
by oompa inbeksbks and changeling for two..... i sense a kinder, gentler simon right now.
many people here had strong feelings with all the sudden news....and may have offended you.
you had every right to ban them.
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Dearest Simon...please help some of our old (and banned) friends.....
by oompa inbeksbks and changeling for two..... i sense a kinder, gentler simon right now.
many people here had strong feelings with all the sudden news....and may have offended you.
you had every right to ban them.
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Layla, my understanding from that was that some very nasty people on a vile site I won't name used those methods on their own forum(s) -- reading PMs, tracking people's IPs, viewing their info, etc. I am fairly certain that no breach has occurred here at JWD, but rather these haters have been around for years doing their "thing" elsewhere (just one more reason not to register there, folks!). If I have missed something and there has been an actual breach here, I would really like to know that because it is a threat to us all. I don't think that's the case though.
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Dearest Simon...please help some of our old (and banned) friends.....
by oompa inbeksbks and changeling for two..... i sense a kinder, gentler simon right now.
many people here had strong feelings with all the sudden news....and may have offended you.
you had every right to ban them.
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A lot of the banned posters, yes. Maybe even most of them. But changeling and beksbks? I was only referring to those two specifically, and I don't think either one of them is remotely connected to The Problem here.
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Dearest Simon...please help some of our old (and banned) friends.....
by oompa inbeksbks and changeling for two..... i sense a kinder, gentler simon right now.
many people here had strong feelings with all the sudden news....and may have offended you.
you had every right to ban them.
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I also would like to know who were the poster or posters that stole the database with our information.
What do you mean, what database? I know that Simon and others have been harassed and basically stalked by a group of hateful nasty people, but I had assumed that stemmed from people using the relatively common knowledge of name and location and going from there. Are you saying that the JWD database has been broken into/stolen/breached somehow? I did not know this, please someone point me to what I have missed.
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What About JWD Has Been Special To You???
by minimus inwhen i was exiting, i would read this board and i learned a lot.
there were tons of people that were realizing the truth about the organization.
i had already read critical books about jws but this site was a daily, regular "spiritual feeding".
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I have learned so much here, an incredible amount of information, and have also found this site to be invaluable for staying aware of what the WTS is up to and one step ahead.
I lurked here for years before actually posting, but once I did start participating it was like an outlet that helped me not feel so alone. I am an UBM, and in my real life I've NO ONE who understands any of this -- of course I can't discuss this stuff with believing Witnesses, and the "worldly" people in my life don't understand how deep and twisted it all is. Here, I have been able to be amongst people who do understand, and that has lifted a huge weight from me and also helped me hold onto my sanity LOL.
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Gag alert! Latest email from devout JW Mom
by bud2114 inmy mother knows i have lots of issues with the org.
yet she still forwards me this crap as "encouragement".
i love my mother, but i wish i could get through to her that jw's aren't any more special to god than anyone else.
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This email offers a very poor analogy. Maybe it seems "encouraging" to people who skim and gloss and keep their brains on standby, but if you actually read it and think about it, it makes no sense. Why am I not surprised.
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Teacher sexually assulted me...........what do you think
by Jesika inin your opinon......................should i go through with it..................................(hi simon.....long time).
on august 4th of 2008 at approximately 8:00-8:10am i was coming from the front office after receiving a green sheet for being absent on thursday, july 31st 2008. i was passing the women's restroom on my way back to class, when i saw steve walking the barren hallways.
he didn't notice me since i was walking far behind him.
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Please report this, immediately. I'd be willing to bet you are far from the first person he's done this to, and you won't be the last if he's permitted to continue. If the women he assaulted before you had spoken up, this creep might not have had the opportunity to do it to you. At the very least, reporting it affixes a tangible and undeniable paper trail to this guy, assuming he doesn't have one already.
Also, I must say, good for you the way you reacted -- firmly striking back and getting away. And MAJOR kudos for thoroughly documenting what happened, with times/dates/locations/details/etc, right away. That matters a lot and solidifies your complaint.
Please do report it. You'll not only be helping others avoid this same sort of assault in the future, but you will also (I suspect) feel more settled about it in your own mind -- your initial reaction was to say HECK NO and stand up to this loser. Keep doing that; you won't regret it in your own heart.
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What were the key articles that helped you leave (or articles you love)?
by jwfacts ini am looking for "best-of" articles about jws and the watchtower society.
what were the best articles that you remember reading.
any topic will do.
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A few more:
http://corior.blogspot.com
http://www.jwfiles.com
http://www.dimaggio.org/Heretic/critical.htm
Too many good articles in these archives to choose just a few; I'm not sure if you're looking only for specific single articles, or full archival links? -
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My wife's mind is controlled by the WitchTower !
by Number1Anarchist inok this is absolutley frustrating!.
my wife's logic is beyond comprehension!
all she does is repeat the society logic bullshit!
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I am in a somewhat similar situation, although I have no children. As has been suggested, acquire and read "Combatting Cult Mind Control" -- that book helped me in so many ways. The natural, instinctual reaction to come at things directly can actually be the exact WRONG thing to do with a believing JW. All you accomplish there is bringing out the cult personality more and more, keeping the person on the defensive; it can really backfire very badly (voice of experience here LOL). Since reading that book and others (and doing a ton of research over a period of years), my situation has improved greatly from where it was, but there's still a long way to go.
If you learn the subtler and more effective ways of getting your wife to think, you have a much better chance of getting her to wake up, especially since she's not particularly diehard and rabid right now. The diehard rabidness comes out when you confront directly. Logic doesn't work with JWs, at least not while their minds are still firmly entrenched.
The fact that you have a child makes things more delicate for you. In your shoes, I would do everything I could to ensure safety for the child above all else -- the last thing you want is to end up with your wife estranging your daughter from you and raising her in the WTS.
I hope things work out for you and your family. The best advice I can give is to research thoroughly, understand the mindset and how to best approach (and not approach) it, and then act carefully and slowly, as opposed to rashly and quickly. Best wishes to you. -
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I like watching death.............
by zeroday ini will not provide links but i love death videos....just google death videos...they are aplenty...i believe they are my final exit in some way...many have died and i will also but they have already died and i am alive....don't bother i know i am sick............
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I don't think that curiosity itself about death is sick, but yeah. I'd guess that most people who have witnessed actual death in person have no desire to see more of it, in videos or anywhere else. That is certainly true for myself. I'm still not sure what these "death videos" are exactly, and I don't want to know. Maybe Zeroday has never witnessed such himself in his own life, and so has had a curiosity about it; it is hard to know exactly from just the one post what he really means and feels about it. I would venture to say, though, that anyone who "loves" death has never had any genuine first-hand experience with it.