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  Disfellowshipping and 1 Corinthians 5:9-11

  by digderidoo in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i have these couple of jw's quoting this verse at me in an attempt to justify disfellowshipping, pair of morons.. in my letter i wrote you to quit mixing in company with fornicators, 10 not [meaning] entirely with the fornicators of this world or the greedy persons and extortioners or idolaters.

  otherwise, you would actually have to get out of the world.

  11 but now i am writing you to quit mixing in company with anyone called a brother that is a fornicator or a greedy person or an idolater or a reviler or a drunkard or an extortioner, not even eating with such a man.. why do they not see that these scriptures limit "sinful behaviour" to just a few behaviours, but not only that it doesn't say parents should shun their children.. can't believe how the wt misapplies some scripture and at the same time the individual jw just blindly follows.. just my rant for the day.. paul.

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  digderidoo

  I have these couple of JW's quoting this verse at me in an attempt to justify disfellowshipping, pair of morons.

  In my letter I wrote YOU to quit mixing in company with fornicators, 10 not [meaning] entirely with the fornicators of this world or the greedy persons and extortioners or idolaters. Otherwise, YOU would actually have to get out of the world. 11 But now I am writing YOU to quit mixing in company with anyone called a brother that is a fornicator or a greedy person or an idolater or a reviler or a drunkard or an extortioner, not even eating with such a man.

  Why do they not see that these scriptures limit "sinful behaviour" to just a few behaviours, but not only that it doesn't say parents should shun their children.

  Can't believe how the WT misapplies some scripture and at the same time the individual JW just blindly follows.

  Just my rant for the day.

  Paul
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  Elder stakeouts! Anyone done one / been a victim of one?

  by sir82 in

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  2. friends

  suppose the elders get an anonymous letter or phone call, or even a brave soul tells them that they no "brother so-and-so" is sleeping with "sister suzy q".

  or a believing jw has a "non-scriptural" divorce, and wants proof her ex is sleeping with someone else.

  the elders' manual says the "strong circumstantial evidence, such as evidence that the accused spent all night in the house of someone of the opposite sex who is not his wife or a family member" (paraphrase) can be used as evidence in a judicial case.. to get such "strong circumstantial eveidnce", elders have been known to "stake out" a house, spending all night in a car watching a house.. in all my time as an elder, i was never involved in one of these.

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  digderidoo

  My ex wife started dating a guy, who she eventually married, we had been seperated a couple of years, but not divorced.

  My mother had a bee in her bonnet about this, so she and my dad travelled 10 miles to her house at 4am on about 3 occasions. On the final occasion they saw his car there. All of this i may add was not known to me until afterwards

  When she reported this to the elders, my dad who was at the time no longer going to meetings, did not want to get involved, even though he had driven there. He didn't want to appear as a witness before a judicial comittee.

  They then had the cheek to ask my mother to ask me to see if i could catch the car there, even though i had faded about 3 years previous.

  Apparently she said the car had broken down or something like that.

  Anyway upon finding out what my mother had done and upon finding out what the elders had asked me to do, i told them all to go forth and multiply, but not quite that polite.

  Paul
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  Have you made arrangements for your civil funeral?

  by digderidoo in

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  2. friends

  it may sound morbid, but have you?.

  it appears that the funeral of a disfellowshipped person would be, that an elder if he feels that there may be some repentence on the behalf of the person that they would give a funeral, but not at the kingdom hall.. this leads me to think what would i want?

  i certainly wouldn't want an elder to give a talk at my funeral.

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  It may sound morbid, but have you?

  It appears that the funeral of a disfellowshipped person would be, that an elder if he feels that there may be some repentence on the behalf of the person that they would give a funeral, but not at the kingdom hall.

  This leads me to think what would i want? I certainly wouldn't want an elder to give a talk at my funeral. But at the same time i do not want a conventional one. This is something i haven't given much thought about, but i couldn't bear the thought of an elder doing my funeral, which at the moment could well be the case if, God forbid, my number comes up.

  Paul
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  A JW's view of a rape victim

  by digderidoo in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  the following is an ongoing discussion about wt disfellowship policy.

  it can be seen at http://bible-discussion.com/message-board-forum/viewtopic.php?t=7798&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=105 .

  a poster called wolvo has post a youtube video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zs86dfzbg8 which has been brought into the discussion of a 17 year old rape victim who was later disfellowshipped for not screaming during the rape.. due to the fact the disfellowshipped girl admitted to petting, a jw on the forum by the name of tbax had this to say with regards to her being raped.. .

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  digderidoo

  The following is an ongoing discussion about WT disfellowship policy. It can be seen at http://bible-discussion.com/message-board-forum/viewtopic.php?t=7798&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=105

  A poster called Wolvo has post a youtube video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZS86DFZBg8 which has been brought into the discussion of a 17 year old rape victim who was later disfellowshipped for not screaming during the rape.

  Due to the fact the disfellowshipped girl admitted to petting, a JW on the forum by the name of TBax had this to say with regards to her being raped.

  How is she responsible for being raped??

  Wolvo wrote:

  Her being raped is disputable, and I presented reasons people lie in such instances. Even if she was "raped" was she guiltless, or was she unleashing the tiger? We are not talking about legal justice of the courts, but personal responsibility and accountability of cause and effect in the real world.

  Shame on you.

  Wolvo wrote:

  There is no shame in having greater understanding then what political correctness will allow. This isn't the realm of political correctness. She was engaged at the very least in loose conduct, and perhaps in fornication prior to the "rape". If you pet the tiger, is it unreasonable that he might bite you?
  
  Her actions led to what happened to her.
  
  Gal 6:7 Do not be misled: God is not one to be mocked. For whatever a man is sowing, this he will also reap; 8 because he who is sowing with a view to his flesh will reap corruption from his flesh, but he who is sowing with a view to the spirit will reap everlasting life from the spirit.
  
  What was she sowing? What did she expect? Or is God one to be mocked?
  _________________
  Agape,
  TBax

  Please someone jump down the guys throat.

  Paul
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  How many things can a JW get disfellowshipped for?

  by digderidoo in

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  2. friends

  how many is there?

  can we have a brain storm and get a list going?.

  paul.

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  digderidoo

  How many is there? Can we have a brain storm and get a list going?

  Paul
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  Hi all

  by mouthy in

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  2. friends

  just got back from a wonderful reunion with all the exjws ...pennsylvania.

  so many there, it is really like a family love in.

  koolaid gave an excellent exposure of the wt.

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  digderidoo

  Hiya Grace

  Welcome back. Just seen a video of you on youtube, looking good.

  Paul
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  So it's over. Again.

  by faundy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  three years ago i told a close friend in australia that i was gay.

  as a witness, she cut me off.

  i wasn't surprised.

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  digderidoo

  Sorry to hear this. I have said it over and over again this is one bastard of a religion.

  JW friendships have and always will be conditional. Just be on your guard if she falls away again and contacts you in the future.

  Paul
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  Do you remember the past, or do you live in it?

  by sweetstuff in

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  2. friends

  "all we have is now, the past has gone, the future hasn't happened yet" my favorite .

  very apt as well.

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  "We are going to know a new freedom and a new happiness.

  We will not regret the past nor wish to shut the door on it.

  We will comprehend the word serenity and we will know peace."

  part of the AA promises, p 83,84 The big book.

  Paul
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  To all my friends

  by mouthy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hello folks.... many of you have asked me to be friends on facebook.

  i think you should know ,i cant seem to work that right.

  this one i am at "home" with ,but it is very hard to teach old dogs new tricks, so if you have invited me to be a friend of yours on facebook & i have not accepted you just remember at 81 it is hard learning new things.

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  digderidoo

  You seem to have worked it fine Grace :-)

  Paul
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  Do you facebook??

  by digderidoo in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  ok, i am ready to come out to ex jw friends.

  i have recently registered on facebook and have been in touch with some friends i haven't seen for years.. .

  i have always been reluctant to post any pics of me on ex jw public forums or give away too much personal information.

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  digderidoo

  Ok, i am ready to come out to ex jw friends.
  
  I have recently registered on facebook and have been in touch with some friends i haven't seen for years.
  
  I have always been reluctant to post any pics of me on ex jw public forums or give away too much personal information. For the simple fact that i am a fader, rather than d'fed. I have to take my believing family into consideration. But at the same time i have got to know a number of ex jw's over the years and would like to keep the contact.
  
  But if anyone who knows me on here would like to contact me through facebook please feel free to PM me and i will give you my details!
  
  Paul