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  Obessed with sex?

  by DB in

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  now that i have your attention....really, this is about sex.. this week's issue of newsweek contains an interesting commentary by anna quinlan, found on the last page, that deals with the catholic church's priestly sex scandal and how, for so many years, repressive teachings by the church in matters realting to human sexuality have been very counter-productive and have missed the mark badly while the church at the same time tried to cover-up cases of pedophilia among priests.

  examples given include teachings like no divorce (while people suffer in bad marriages), no birth control (thus teaching that sex is not be engaged in simply for pleasure but with the purpose of procreation), and so on.

  and yet in the meantime, they obviously missed the boat on the whole problem of sex abuse within their own priesthood.. while jw teachings are not as repressive, at times i have noticed a seeming obsession, if one might call it that, among some jws in matters of a sexual nature.

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  Good points refiners/yumbby/dantheman

  Yumbby hits it with the seeming constant suspicion whenever a man and woman are alone. In the example I gave of myself and the sister in service, we are both married and the thought of carrying on with her, and she with me, was the furthest thing from our minds that day, and then to be called and warned about it was annoying and showed a total lack of trust in us.

  As far as creating such a climate that almost seems to promote sexual misdeeds, maybe this eqaution could be applied: repression=obsession.

  It reminds me of what happens if you tell a child not to go near the cookie jar. One admonition may be enough, but sometimes, if a parent makes an issue out of it, the child becomes *more* fascinated with what is in the jar, and the prohibition itself almost becomes the inducement to do the thing that is prohibited. This is not to say that rules should not be made, but that in some cases repressive, issue-creating rules often end up having the opposite of the desired effect.

  In the example I provided about the CO, I used to wonder, 'who *really* had the sex problem? I could not help but think that he was the one who was obsessed with it.
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  Obessed with sex?

  by DB in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  now that i have your attention....really, this is about sex.. this week's issue of newsweek contains an interesting commentary by anna quinlan, found on the last page, that deals with the catholic church's priestly sex scandal and how, for so many years, repressive teachings by the church in matters realting to human sexuality have been very counter-productive and have missed the mark badly while the church at the same time tried to cover-up cases of pedophilia among priests.

  examples given include teachings like no divorce (while people suffer in bad marriages), no birth control (thus teaching that sex is not be engaged in simply for pleasure but with the purpose of procreation), and so on.

  and yet in the meantime, they obviously missed the boat on the whole problem of sex abuse within their own priesthood.. while jw teachings are not as repressive, at times i have noticed a seeming obsession, if one might call it that, among some jws in matters of a sexual nature.

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  Having completed the thread entry under duress (a couple of young guys were jumping over my back yard wire mesh fence and bending it), I goofed on the spelling of obsessed. There, that's better.
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  Obessed with sex?

  by DB in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  now that i have your attention....really, this is about sex.. this week's issue of newsweek contains an interesting commentary by anna quinlan, found on the last page, that deals with the catholic church's priestly sex scandal and how, for so many years, repressive teachings by the church in matters realting to human sexuality have been very counter-productive and have missed the mark badly while the church at the same time tried to cover-up cases of pedophilia among priests.

  examples given include teachings like no divorce (while people suffer in bad marriages), no birth control (thus teaching that sex is not be engaged in simply for pleasure but with the purpose of procreation), and so on.

  and yet in the meantime, they obviously missed the boat on the whole problem of sex abuse within their own priesthood.. while jw teachings are not as repressive, at times i have noticed a seeming obsession, if one might call it that, among some jws in matters of a sexual nature.

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  Now that I have your attention....Really, this is about sex.

  This week's issue of Newsweek contains an interesting commentary by Anna Quinlan, found on the last page, that deals with the Catholic Church's Priestly sex scandal and how, for so many years, repressive teachings by the Church in matters realting to human sexuality have been very counter-productive and have missed the mark badly while the Church at the same time tried to cover-up cases of pedophilia among priests. Examples given include teachings like no divorce (while people suffer in bad marriages), no birth control (thus teaching that sex is not be engaged in simply for pleasure but with the purpose of procreation), and so on. And yet in the meantime, they obviously missed the boat on the whole problem of sex abuse within their own priesthood.

  While JW teachings are not as repressive, at times I have noticed a seeming obsession, if one might call it that, among some JWs in matters of a sexual nature. For example, a CO came through our area a few years back who pointed out all the supposed phallic symbols around town, bragged about breaking up a supposed youth sex ring in another circuit (according to him, he was the only person who figured it out and acted), and told a sister and I the reason why a local brother was df'd (a sexual offense which he detailed, to the shock of that sister and myself).

  In another instance, I was once working alone with a sister in field service because the family that was supposed to meet up with us in the territory did not show. When an elder saw us leave the break site togther (they came for coffe break just as we were leaving), I got the predictable phone call warning me about pairing up alone with a sister. Neither one of us even gave it a second thought, especially since it was not planned, but the elder sure seemed bothered by it.

  While the Newsweek article and the examples given are not quite parallel in nature, I was just curious about putting this on the board here, kind of thinking out loud as it were, and seeing if anyone might like to offer an observation, whether in agreement or not. Thanks.
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  Let's do a virtual Memorial!

  by LDH in

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  if i *did* go , i would have to partake,just to throw their numbers off.

  (hint hint to anyone going).

  but just for the sake of preserving family relations let's do a virtual memorial.

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  I told my teenage daughter today that I'd give her a hundred bucks if she partakes tonight. :):)
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  Is homosexuality wrong?

  by forgetmenot in

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  i know that the dub's view is that it is totally wrong.

  i live in an area where the majority of people think it is wrong.

  i don't think it is wrong (but i am not a homosexual).

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  Wow, tough one. Some good comments. Terafera, some interesting observations. :):)
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  Anyone here into vinyl?

  by sleepy in

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  anyone here into vinyl?.

  no this is nothing pervy.. i'm in a musical mood today and one of my passions is buying records.. (not collecting records as i actually buy them to listen to).

  i still buy records on vinyl rather than cd when i can, the packaging is much better and if you have a good record player so is the sound.. it getting hard to find much nowadays in a lot of record stores.. theres an excellent record shop near me though that stocks a ton of the stuff.now wheres all my wages gone?

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  Yes, the thing about turntables and analog playback is that, to equal or exceed what can be heard from a 150-200 dollar CD player, one would have to spend a bundle, since a equally priced turntable from Technics or Pioneer and an $80 Shure Cartridge will not equal the sound of a CD.

  I have read that some audiophiles spend a thousand dollars or more on a turntable (the Linn brand comes to mind) and hundreds on a cartridge, and some even buy seperate tonearms. I do believe that such a set-up, playing back a carefully-pressed vinyl LP, would approach CD-quality sound and perhaps indeed even exceed it in some respects. The thing to weigh is the cost-performace ratio, and of course, for those who do or do not like the tweaking and adjusting that needs to be done with an analog playback system, convenience must also be considered. Though I used to enjoy tweaking to some degree, I love the convenience and sound quality of CD playback, and so, for me, it's the clear winner, but again, others mght well differ in their prefernace, and that is understandable. Good thread, sleepy!
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  The "one-Scripture" Rule

  by LDH in

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  so much of jw belief is based on just one or two scriptures, while they ignore the thrust of true christianity!

  here are some examples:.

  1. the faithful and discreet slave--mentioned once in the bible.

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  DB

  Interesting, Lisa.

  Actually, as you are well aware I am sure, the birthday celebrations mentioned in the bible in no way resemble those held by most sane folks today. I have never heard of anyone being beheaded at a modern-day b-day function. Also, no one that I know of has ever been 'idolized' by having their b-day celebrated. Most people have some cake and get on with their day.

  To me, a nice, dignified b-day acknowledgement (or party, if you will), is not objectionable. I guess a case could be made against excess revelrie and some of the pagan trappings, but to me a simple celebration is not objectionable.

  BTW, I have heard of some jw graduation parties that have had guests numbering in the HUNDREDS. Now, rhetorically, why don't they consider that as undue attention given to one individual? And yet, even a small b-day gathering is seen as possibly giving undue attention to the individual.
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  Anyone here into vinyl?

  by sleepy in

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  anyone here into vinyl?.

  no this is nothing pervy.. i'm in a musical mood today and one of my passions is buying records.. (not collecting records as i actually buy them to listen to).

  i still buy records on vinyl rather than cd when i can, the packaging is much better and if you have a good record player so is the sound.. it getting hard to find much nowadays in a lot of record stores.. theres an excellent record shop near me though that stocks a ton of the stuff.now wheres all my wages gone?

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  A HiFi and home theater enthusiast myself, I think the Compact Disc was a terrific invention, the most important in audio since Edison's playback device.

  I liked LPs only for their cover art and some goodies like booklets, etc. But the clicking and popping, the preening and cleaning, the flipping of discs and changing of worn styli and cartdriges, was simply a drag.

  I have read literature on the analog-digital debate, and in my view, digital wins hands-down. However, I can appreciate that some audiophiles to like the 'warmer' sound of analog better. But for my money, nothing beats the convenience and pristine sound of digital.
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  5/1 Watchtower

  by DanTheMan in

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  i decided to take the wrapper off instead of toa (trash on arrival).

  the cover?

  a hokey, "end of disabilities" scene with fake happy expressions (the father is especially hilarious.

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  good one Ashi, lol...but, there is one big difference. Subscriptions to MAD magazine are still available.
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  Post a message to Sharon Roe(Janet Bryant's sister

  by seven006 in

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  sharon like her sister janet was also raised a jw.

  she left the religion three years ago just about the same time as robert and janet.

  her husband is not a jw but did attend the occasional meeting.

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  Hello Sharon,

  I am currently a Witness and have read about this whole matter with a great deal of interest.

  The folks who post here are indeed very sypmathetic to you and your situation. Though I am a JW, I can, perhaps in some small way, appreciate how your brother-in-law might have felt. I saw a similar situation here, in which a brother who was reproved, though not disfellowshiped, cut out of a business partnership by another JW. Yes, I find the whole shunning thing distateful, and at times, it appears to be motivated, not by love, but by spitefulness, in an effort to punish the estranged one with guilt perhaps.

  May you find consolation from the words and actions of those who are with you during this terribly stressful time. Take care, DB