Ray Franz discussed this in his books. While the original poster is correct in saying there are other motivations , essentially the GB believe in it 100%. They have a belief system that is constantly confirmed and very rarely challenged. Franz coined the term "victims of victims".
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33Motivations for Watchtower leadership
by GetMeOutofHere ini’ve struggled for some time with this question.
why would the elders, cos, branch committee, helpers to gb and the gb themselves devote their lives to progressing in the organization, if the whole thing is one big sham?
i have 3 ideas so far.. 1) money.
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Reinstatement/dating
by Pinky ina month ago i was reinstated as a jehovah’s witness.
he was not disfellowshipped.
in my meeting i was told that i could not become involved with the man that i committed a sin with, which is adultery once i’m reinstated.
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dozy
I've seen a few screwed up situations like this in my time in the Borg. It kind of gets really messy. Are you sure the guy still really cares for you - if he really loved you , wouldn't he have made an effort to contact you ( even privately ) after your reinstatement?
Otherwise - why not take advantage of your reinstatement & just fade. Do you really want to be subject to the organisation's complex and often arbitrary web of rules dictating who you can / cannot date / marry etc for the rest of your life? And believe me , even though you are reinstated , the elders will be on your case for some time - get used to the back room in the Kingdom Hall.
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New Armageddon date?
by neat blue dog inlooking at the most recent wt the study article focuses on the jubilees.
the made a separate box in the article to highlight the math behind jubilees, and i'm wondering if they're trying to get people thinking and stir up the pot without actually making a false prophecy.
for instance: jubilees happened every 7 times 7 years.
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dozy
Even the Society aren't daft enough to promote particular dates now. Other than the bizarre "overlapping generation" workaround( which buys them another 40 years or so ) , there isn't any kind of year that they are even hinting at at the moment.
Their modus operandi is like the dodgy double glazing firm that promises a constant "70% off in the sale - must end tomorrow" and has done successfully for the last 30 years. You know in your heart that it is just a marketing pitch but on some level you just get suckered into it.
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one picture too far ( fetched)
by waton injuly 2019 wt mag.
study article 27, to sept 8 (last weak) sic intended.
page 5. .
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dozy
I didn't know Ross from "Friends" was a JW... :-)
Actually - these sort of pictures usually elicit a wry smile from most JWs. Apart from a few totally lobotomised uber JWs I don't think many would be having a "Kingdom Melodies" sing song in the car.
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WTC has become adept at using tragedy as a means of raising cash.
by AndersonsInfo inwtc has become adept at using tragedy as a means of raising cash.
for example, when puerto rico was devastated by a hurricane, wtc directed a large number of congregations to donate $1500 each in supplies that would be used for relief purposes.
it is not known how many congregations took part in this effort but the feedback suggests it was in the hundreds.
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dozy
Does the USA have the same system as the UK in that the congregations pay virtually all donations to the branch , just keeping a very small sum for essentials? Also - sorry to be dumb - but what does WTC stand for? Watch Tower Corp?
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highlights from Circuit Overseer Guidelines
by neat blue dog ini just finished looking through the circuit overseer manual, so here are some highlights.
first up, regarding circuit assemblies:.
if a brother is so extremely overweight that others would be distracted if he had a part on the program, good judgment would need to be used in deciding whether to give him an assignment.
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dozy
It is important that circuit overseers avoid being extravagant or giving the appearance of wanting the best of everything in the way of food, clothing, apartment furnishings, the latest electronic devices, vacations, and so forth. In this way they will avoid “any cause for stumbling”
That will just be available to "higher ups" in Bethel , then....
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Evolution or Creation Poll
by Vanderhoven7 inevolution is how we got here.. demonstrate that you believe that all species evolved from a single cell over/within 3.5 billion years by tapping "like" below.. demonstrate that you believe in special creation by tapping "unlike" below..
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dozy
roughly a third of Americans reject microbe to man evolution as well.
With respect , this is the country that elected Donald Trump as President. Not exactly the brightest...
What always strikes me with JWs is that on the one hand they deny evolution , on the other hand they say that all of todays life forms have developed over just over 4,000 years ago from all the animals in the ark - which would be an astonishing rate of hyper evolution.
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What is the financial situation for a couple who live and work at Walkill?
by rickroll ini have a married cousin who has moved to work at the walkill farm.
what is the financial situation of someone like this?
i would assume they do not build social security or medicare.
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dozy
Basically , other than free food & accommodation for some, the Society treats its workers like crap ( unless they are GB level ). I'm no fan of the Mormon church , but the way they treat their workers is far better.
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/church/employment/compensation-benefits?lang=eng
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Where now for the UK Society Big Wigs?
by dozy ini see top uk jw lawyer richard cook is finally having to move out of his jw "grace & favour" house , currently for sale for a cool £2.75 million.
https://solicitors.guru/office/3466-richard-cook-solicitors/.
https://ibsaproperty.com/houses/lowood-house/.
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dozy
I see top UK JW lawyer Richard Cook is finally having to move out of his JW "grace & favour" house , currently for sale for a cool £2.75 million.
https://solicitors.guru/office/3466-richard-cook-solicitors/
https://ibsaproperty.com/houses/lowood-house/
Richard is a key man , very busy with child abuse and other cases and ( more importantly ) has the ear of the Governing Body.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-33201010
My British Bethel contacts tell me that Richard wasn't too keen on losing his prime London home and the thought of moving out of the city to the wastelands north of Potters Bar and decamping his family filled him with great anguish so the Society are trying to figure out what they can do to keep him on-board as he could earn much more money in the private sector. Should any forum readers wish to help a homeless man , please send your donations to the UK Bethel!
The other Society big wigs ( mainly lawyers and accountants ) living in similar properties also are wondering what the next move will be - the prospect of living in a shoe box studio flat at the new Bethel at Chelmsford doesn't really appeal. The long standing gravy train where these guys lived in luxurious rent free homes in leafy suburbia seems finally to have pulled into the station.
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No 2019 Conventions in Ireland ?
by Phizzy ini may have got this wrong, but using the dreaded jw website, they seem to be directing the irish j.w's to go to birmingham in england this weekend.. is this correct ?
they always used to hold two conventions in ireland, are there none in 2019 ??.
probably the irish ones actually, truly, made a loss, but think of all the travelling, including a flight or sea ferry crossing if i am correct.
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dozy
Birmingham is a delightful city so I am sure the Irish witnesses will be overjoyed at the privilege of being delegates and the "Instagram Perfect" crossing over the tropical Irish sea to the scenic port of Holyhead will allow many opportunities for pints of Guinness to be sampled while admiring the wonderful views. Truly a sign of Jehovah's wonderful & loving organisation - all praise to the Governing Body and the faithful and discreet slave. :-)