Posts by AudeSapere

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Does anyone know what is happening with Italy's (Rome) Bethel???

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friends

there are rumors out, that the italy (rome) bethel is being shut down and putting out to pasture a large portion of the bethel staff.. has anyone heard anything... ?.

the word is that everyone but the most senior members will be let go.

the senior bethel family members will be reassigned.

My friends visitation is tonight all of her JW family will be there

by troubled mind in

today i need some encouraging support ..i will be attending my friends funeral visitation tonight .. we had been jws together since childhood ,and then three yrs ago she was dfd .

we have supported each other these past few yrs with encouragement .she comes from a huge jw family, and they all plan on attending tonight.

i have known them all my life ,and they hate me for leaving the cult.

AudeSapere

Just saw this now and so glad it went well. Maybe even 'better than expected'. (??)

It's nice that you got to sit with the normal people. That part made me smile.

*hugs*

-Aude.

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In Response to a Dare from Besty, Dagney and Aude

by DNCall in

http://s1123.photobucket.com/user/dncall/media/photo.jpg.html?sort=3&o=0.

besty made a business trip to california last week.

naturally, i had to get together with him.

AudeSapere

That was a fun evening! I was trying to figure out what was up with your 'mustache'. Oh! It's the cigar.

@VillageGirl - yes, this is the right sight. We had a quiet, unadvertised mini-apostafest last week. So far this is the only photo to surface - that I'm aware of. But I don't think this particular photo was taken by the meth-head. I think it was the 2nd volunteer that took this one. I say that because it's not blurry!

Good times! Thanks again~!! I hope WhoKnows and SweetPea can make it next time.

-Aude.

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Independent verification of Mexico Vs. Malawi

by Knowsnothing in

i posted on manki's crisis of conscience thread the following, and decided it deserves a thread of it's own (giving it was completely ignored, lol).

i'll give you a head start, manky.. http://tearsofoberon.blogspot.com/2009/10/mexico-military-and-jwsthe-truth.html.

under the subheading 6.0 lies and exaggerations, he goes on to say this:.

AudeSapere

(marking for later)

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A child that DIDN'T want to die ... a blood experience you won't read in Awake! or on JW.ORG

by wannabefree in

while doing work for a client in her office recently, we got into a light discussion about religion.

she knew i was one of jehovahs witnesses as our business relationship started while i was still a loyal and believing jw.

anyway, i said something that she knew didnt quite fit and she said ... i thought you were one of jehovahs witnesses ... i shared my story ... she felt comfortable to confide in me a story as to why, even though she has had dealings with jehovahs witnesses who she thinks are good people, she would never even consider listening to them about their religion.. i asked her if she would write it down for me so that i could share ... she agreed.. this is her experience.. .

AudeSapere

Sad. I wonder why the courts did not step in and take action... ?

-Aude.

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SoCal meetup

by Dagney in

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friends

we have a visitor from far away with us, "hopscotch" as she is known on the board.. we would to put out a "shout-out" for any and all who would like to join us for a meetup this coming weekend, august 21 or 22. we are open to suggestions for where and when.

i would like to encourage any in the area, and even if you are not, to join us.

i cannot tell you how wonderful it is to meet up with the kindred spirits of those who are on the journey we are all on.

AudeSapere

Has it really been 3 years already? My!, how time flies lately.

Thinking of you, Hopscotch - and hope you and your family are well.

-Aude.

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Relationship with fellow fader?

by Kool Jo in

i'm just curious....what would be the pros and cons of dating or even marrying someone who is fading or fully aware of ttatt?.

although i'm not in this situation, i've always wondered about it...for example...you're reaching near that age, your parents, friends, family members, others in the congregation are giving you hints that it's time for you to get married...you don't wanna marry anyone that the congregation/parents recommend because they're fully indoctrinated, so you make up some excuse that you're not ready blah blah blah, even though you long for companionship....you then meet a fader or someone who knows that the wtbs in crap...what would be the pros and the cons...and could it work?.

peace.

AudeSapere

There is always the risk that the one of the people will return to the org. That would be icky.

But I think the bigger problem is that while each may understand where the other is coming from, they both will likely have the same weaknesses. Probably better to find a compassionate 'worldly' person with a different life history and outlook so you can each temper and support the other. I think there are better personal growth opportunities when we connect with people who have a different background than our own.

Also, many 'worldly' people are likely to be more tolerant and understanding than people raised in a high-control group.

-Aude.

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Mother Forces 5 Year-Old Son To . . .

by Zandor in

can anyone here, lay person or professional describe or give insights into the effects the following has on a child?.

when my friend, the middle child of 3 siblings, was five years old, his mother took him by the hand and led him to the house where his father was having an affair with another woman.

she opened the door to confront her husband who was actually in the act of having sex with the other woman, and deliberately exposed her young son to this drama.. .

AudeSapere

This sort of behavior is conducted by adults/parents who view children as objects or possessions rather than 'sacred charges'. If the mother viewed the child as an individual person who was entrusted to her (and the father) to be thoughtfully nurtured and strengthened to grow into a strong, balanced, compassionate adult, she would have left him at home.

But she didn't. The child was a pawn in the crazy games the parents were playing.

-Aude.

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So Frightened.. Extremely Afraid

by Caupon in

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friends

as some of you may know, i'm a pretty troubled lad who was on the verge of getting baptised but stopped when i learned the shocking truth about the organization.

following that my own mother let me have it in anger to my decision.

since then, my life has been true hell.. .

AudeSapere

Caupon wrote: Didn't mean to waste everyones time.

Not a waste of time at all - as far as I'm concerned.

You raised a good question. And it seems you got answers that helped to quiet your heart. How can that possibly be a waste of anyone's time?

And... Someone else will likely read this thread and something in it will help them, too. It's all good.

I was baptized just before I turned 14. 14 to 17 is such a crazy time. And every couple of years you have a completely different outlook and insight into the world. I would not want to relive those years at all. From age 22 onward, ... THOSE years I'd like a complete 'do-over'. But not 14 to 17. Very stressful any way you look at it. "This too shall pass."

-Aude.

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So Frightened.. Extremely Afraid

by Caupon in

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friends

as some of you may know, i'm a pretty troubled lad who was on the verge of getting baptised but stopped when i learned the shocking truth about the organization.

following that my own mother let me have it in anger to my decision.

since then, my life has been true hell.. .

AudeSapere

Hi Caupon -

I don't recall your story so sorry that I'm not up-to-speed on your details. But did want to give a quick comment...

You wrote: Or am I just overthinking this?

I wasn't there, but my opinion is that you are overthinking it. It sounds like you are fairly well-balanced and working to keep yourself well-informed. As long as you stay respectful, don't get into too much trouble and keep your humor about you, the KH should not be horrific for you at this stage. Boring as hell, maybe, but not necessarily horrific.

There are sucky things about growing up a JW. But there are some good times, too.

JW elders are not paid. Neither are they very well trained. Most work very difficult and strenuous secular jobs. Meeting times can become more stressful. I would not dwell much on the harsh response. I doubt it was personal. You just caught them off guard and they wanted their privacy back - for whatever reason.

That said, my best suggestion for teenage JWs is to lay low in the congregation. Focus on school/formal education and get a job. Save money and learn to budget yourself. Learn to cook and care for yourself. Help around the house and help neighbors. Don't get baptized. Follow Jesus example - he did not get baptized until he was 30. Avoid discussions about doctrine, websites, WT history. Casual mention is probably OK but there is nothing to gain from full-blown hysteria over things the WTS did 70 years ago. They did it. You know they did it. I know they did it. They know they did it. But they say they've changed. And all they (elders and your parents) will do is blame you and try to correct your thinking.

Just lay low. Take care of the business of setting yourself up for a good life that is supported by a good career. You can pick a religion after you have explored life a little. There is absolutely no rush and no sense in fretting about it.

I hope this makes sense and helps just a little. Looking forward to hearing more from you.

btw - Welcome to JWN~!! It's nice to have you join us.

-Aude Sapere (meaning: Dare to Know; Dare to Have Wisdom/Understanding; Dare to Think for Yourself)