what would happen ?
if he was really sorry about it would he get a telling off by his fellow elders or what ?
If he is caught or confesses an adulterous affair within 3 years of it taking place, he would be at least removed and probably reproved or DF'd.
However, if his 'conscience' lets him slide for a couple more years, it is likely, especially if he is a 'good buddy' with the other elders (that HE would likely pick to hear his confession), then he may get out of it without either removal or judicial action.
I have known of at least two of these cases.
Brant
can some one tell me how many brothers and how many sister there were in your cong.
or does any one know total world wide.
Justitia---great links:
-- California has the highest percent of the nations Jehovah's Witnesses (17%) as well as of Hindus (30%). California also has the nations largest cluster of those with no religion (15%).
from your link.
Thanks,
Brant
my father died last monday, the 4th at the age of 82. he had suffered from severe alzheimers for the last few years.
his funeral was yesterday.
as my brother and i made the arrangements (my mother died in 2003) he suggested and i agreed that we would each give a eulogy.
Lenny,
What a beautiful thing to say. It was a wonderful gift to your father and a wonderful gift to your family to do so in your fathers name.
How horrible all of us were. We allowed a cult to dictate our life's pathway.
Please accept my sympathy for the loss of your dad, especially in that he had to go with Alzheimers.
Keep me in mind for your trip this summer.
Brant
i wonder if anyone has any ideas on this.
who, what is behind the wts.
is it just men genuinely making mistakes but are sincerely trying to serve god?
A person does not get to the GB until they have submitted to many decades of the very mind control that they continue to impose on others. For this reason I think they are convinced they are doing the correct thing. When Ray Franz was appointed to the GB he was convinced it was the truth, and it was only over time that he came to the conclusion that it was not.
Do the GB continue to think they are being honest once they get to the top and have a more complete picture of how things work. I get the feeling that they are all aware of the inadequacies, but continue to justify their actions that "there is nowhere better", and it is the closest organization to the Truth. Most do not want to admit to themselves that it could all be wrong as they have more to loose than anyone, so the cognitive dissonance for a GB member must be far stronger than for the average JW
JW Facts, I think that in spite of my anger and irritation, I will have to give some credibility to this opinion, much as I hate to.
Brant
i was reading an interesting thread in the "best of" sub forum about how the wbts are referring to 1914 less and less in the literature.
this thread was from 2001 (would love to paste the link here but i have serious technical difficulties with this site .
i definitely see the society using the "silent dropping" technique referenced by ray franz and expect to see 1914 discounted completely in the near future.
Obves you stated:
The date 1914 AD in my calculations based on the Bible made the International Bible Students and makes their legitimate succcessors Jehovah's Witnesses my friends in faith
Funny, but your daddy Charles T. Russell got this date from the demons hanging around the Egyptian Pyramids.
This is nothing but a contrivance to advance the oppression of an oppressive religion.
Brant
well, the time has come.
proplog2 has indicated he will be leaving us here at jwd.. see here:.
"... this really isn't a place i want to be.
burn--better be careful how you sling those words around----------
Call me uninformed, but
Uninformed
my wife was invited by her cousin to come back to the meeting on tuesday since she had not been to one for over a year.
the reason?
"there's going to be a special anouncement regarding blood for all publishers, you should come!!
I am sure that Jesus Christ expected all of his followers to be medical experts!
Brant
i was reading an interesting thread in the "best of" sub forum about how the wbts are referring to 1914 less and less in the literature.
this thread was from 2001 (would love to paste the link here but i have serious technical difficulties with this site .
i definitely see the society using the "silent dropping" technique referenced by ray franz and expect to see 1914 discounted completely in the near future.
They know 1914 is the same as the 7,000 year creative days and the 50,000 year creative week, of course allowing for a 1,000 year sabbath reign of Christ.
It is all a figment of their imagination.
Eventually, enough new persons will become JW's without having been taught anything specific about the early dates and viola! the "fix" is in.
Brant
i wonder if anyone has any ideas on this.
who, what is behind the wts.
is it just men genuinely making mistakes but are sincerely trying to serve god?
You have asked a good question, one that bothers me too.
Someone posted that sincerity doesn't make them right, which I totally agree with. The real question is though, are they even sincere?
The following is a verse from John:(John 11:45-53) 45 Therefore many of the Jews that had come to Mary and that beheld what he did put faith in him; 46 but some of them went off to the Pharisees and told them the things Jesus did. 47 Consequently the chief priests and the Pharisees gathered the San´he·drin together and began to say: "What are we to do, because this man performs many signs? 48 If we let him alone this way, they will all put faith in him, and the Romans will come and take away both our place and our nation." 49 But a certain one of them, Ca´ia·phas, who was high priest that year, said to them: "YOU do not know anything at all, 50 and YOU do not reason out that it is to YOUR benefit for one man to die in behalf of the people and not for the whole nation to be destroyed." 51 This, though, he did not say of his own originality; but because he was high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus was destined to die for the nation, 52 and not for the nation only, but in order that the children of God who are scattered about he might also gather together in one. 53Therefore from that day on they took counsel to kill him.
I don't think it is a very big leap to put the governing body at the same level as the Jewish Priests, after all, they are the ones that claim to be the 'spiritual Israel'.
In my opinion, they know they are sinning. They know they are wrong. They had to learn that as they came up through the ranks. However to admit responsibility and wrongness, they would have to give up both their place (our betters, our leaders, the object of devotion of many if not all of JW dom,) and the "nation' that is, they would have to let 6 million people off the hook. They just can't do it.
Thats my take and I'm sticking to it.
Brant
it's time for my once every 3 years visit.
started out lookingnow22, then lookingnow25, now it could be lookingnow28.
still struggling in the org.
(Romans 14:22) 22 The faith that you have, have it in accord with yourself in the sight of God. Happy is the man that does not put himself on judgment by what he approves. . .
