Scully, what a profound post!!!!!!! Brant
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Since 11/2/2001
I wouldn't attend the Zone Overseer™ visit if it was held in my own back yard.
Those @$$holes' egos are surpassed only by their sense of entitlement. I have more respect for myself than to kowtow to a bunch of pompous self-important nobodies.
my wife and i got a letter sent to me stating we are being called before a judical hearing to discuss allegations of apostasy!
we haven't gone to the meeting in 5 years.
are the jw's on a witchhunt lately?
Just like to share a personal experience:
My wife and I left in June 2005 over the UN issue. A year later the elders wanted to know where we celebrated the 2006 Memorial, as they had heard we had our own.
Because we had our own memorial, the elders were looking for an excuse to brand us as apostates, but they refused to put the charges in writing. I told them over the phone that until they put charges in writing I would not be attending the judicial hearing. After no little haggling I finally told them to "get what you are going to do done more quickly", an allusion to Jesus words to Judas.
Thankfully, they went ahead and disfellowshipped us, for what I don't know. BUT, HONEST, IT WAS THE BEST DAY OF MY LIFE. I AM SO HAPPY THEY DISFELLOWSHIPPED US. We finally got our lives back after 45 years for me and 55 years for my wife in that horrible place.
For me, the only place for me is away from there----OFFICIALLY------I was 60, tried like crazy to reason with the WT and 'correct' their course, hoping that I would be the great MOSES to lead the people back to Jehovah. Being disfellowshipped for opposing their involvement with the UN was like being burned at the stake for owning a Bible in the dark ages.
What a release it was to be cast out of that place. Truly it is an HONOR.
Later one of the elders called and apologized for treating us so badly. That was the truth. They did, but I am so glad they did.
Brant
the bible is god's infallible word.we are god's only and infallible representatives.
we are always right no matter how wrong we are.thinking for a minute about the outcome achieved using these premises, they simply can't be true and reflective of god's intent with the bible, and the reality of the bible's current content and condition..
Very succinct.
Well said.
I too hate all religion.
B
no, not that prince, its just a username.
hey apostates, i've heard about these types of forums at meetings and such, never would've guessed it was called jehovahs-witness.net lol.
(excuse my shock, hope no one is offended).
Prince---Hey apostate yourself. The WT direction is that you should not be here, disfellowshipped or not, in good standing or not.
But as to your question, you wrote:
21 years old. Baptized when I was 14 years old, reproved at the age of 16 because I love vagina. Attended meetings until I was 18 only because my mother is a witness, once I moved out I cut association with most of the witnesses and stopped attending meetings because I felt I was already disfellowshipped in Jehovah's eyes, but was never disfellowshipped. I do not want to talk to any elders from my home congregation because I fear my family will cut association with me.
A couple of thoughts on this in view of your comment above: You already have shown a penchant for rejecting, not just the WT teaching, but the Bible's teaching itself with regard to morality. Since you love pussy, and you are not going to control yourself, why stab yourself with the pain of being in an organization that will constantly be on your case, always in your personal business, always calling you in to tell the gory details.
Additionally, you need to learn to trust YOURSELF. Not God, Not Jesus, Not the WT, yourself.
With regard to the WT, they are plainly false prophets. I was baptized in 1961 and was an elder for over 30 years and left in 2005. They did teach that the end of the system would be in 1975. They also taught that the generation that was mature enough to discern the 'establishment' of the Kingdom along with the war in heaven in which Satan fought gloriously for 3 and 1/2 years but still lost, (how come so long???) WOULD NOT PASS AWAY until all things occurred, including passing out of this system into the new world.
You haven't been alive long enough to know the story behind the WT and their condemnation of other religions for being associated with the United Nations, and yet they themselves slyly 'joined' themselves to the UN and hid it for 10 YEARS. If there was nothing wrong with it, why did they hide it?
They are hypocrites too.
There end is near too.
Prince, get control of your own life. Try to live it to the full, but still being true to yourself. Don't waste half a century like I did, and many like me.
I lost an education to go to prison for the WT version of Neutrality, then in the 90's they changed that view (no dougt because of their own breach of neutrality by joining with the UN).
Don't be a glib jerk and call us names.
We are almost all very serious people who have been harmed greatly and for decades by the WT. Even your reasoning that you don't want to be disfellowshipped because of your family reveals that you too despise the WT but are too chicken to just leave with your head up. Rather, it serves your purpose to slink around leading a double life, complicating your already overloaded mentality.
My advice. Get serious, go to school, get a good profession and get totally away from this lying-A**ED organization, while you have a chance.
Brant
no, not that prince, its just a username.
hey apostates, i've heard about these types of forums at meetings and such, never would've guessed it was called jehovahs-witness.net lol.
(excuse my shock, hope no one is offended).
i've just finished an article for randy over on freeminds.org, which i've submitted to him for review.
hopefully it should be online soon, so please keep checking!.
the article discusses the fact that the watch tower society is already in decline, and suggests the year 2005 as the turning point.
I am 66 years old, was baptized in 1961. Went to prison over the neutrality issue in 1966. In prison, we used to keep track of study time and award pioneer status, special pioneer status and missionary status to the amount of time we spent studying the WT pubs.
Sadly, I maintained a monthly study habit of 150 hours for a year or more. I really bought in to the WT during that sad time in my life. I had stupidly passed up a Coast Guard Academy appointment and scholarship along with other scholarships in order to go to prison.
Any, to my view of when the WT began its decline.
During the run up to 1975, I was NOT a 75'er. I rather took the Bible view that no one knew. However, I did hold the WT responsible for the 75 teaching, especially as they presented in on pages 20-30 in the Life Everlasting Book, and on the chart. So, when 75 came and went, I fully expected a serious apology on their part for the damage they no doubt did during the previous "90 MONTHS---(remember?)". I was more than disappointed during the 6 years following 75 until the did apologize in ONE SENTENCE IN 1981 in the summer WT that had the district assembly review.
By then, I was still a confirmed JW but developing strong doubts about the WT being in constant contact with Jehovah. I was not aware of the apostasy at the top during that time, but I did become aware of the CONSTANT USE OF THE TERM "FAITHFUL AND DISCREET SLAVE" as they were trying to defer our obedience to the Bible and Jehovah to the organization.
THAT IS WHEN I BEGAN PERSONALLY TO SEE THE DECLINE OF THE WT. I saw them as USURPING the authority of God and Jesus and taking that authority to themselves.
However, being a totally invested idiot, I just sat on the side thinking Jehovah would fix it. By 1995 when the generation teaching changed, I KNEW it was finally over, but still did not have the courage to leave. Rather, I developed what turned out to be a fairly common theory that the faithful and discreet slave and the evil slave were operating at the same time. I would see one WT article as written by the faithful slave and then figure that the evil slave may have written another. Kind of childish now as I look back, but at the time it was this gymnastics of my mind that was permitting me to deal with the 'dissonance' that I was perceiving.
Additionally, in 1997 there was a WT article that asked the question, "Is there corruption in God's Organization? Yes. Is it RIDDLED with corruption? No. Will Jehovah (paraphrase) reject this organization as his spokesman? JEHOVAH WOULD NEVER DO THAT.
When I read that, I turned to my wife of 30 years and said, "it is finished", somewhat alluding to Jesus last words.
However, continuing my mental inablilty to take a stand against them, I simply resigned as an elder a couple of years later and decided to wait it out on the 'sidelines' so to speak.
The final straw came in 2004 when the news of the WT adulterous involvement with the UN. (Hence the name UN informed). I began to write letters to the WT (which you can read on the internet by searching, brant jones, watchtower) and discovered that despite my 45 years of service, over 30 as an elder, many as a pioneer, and as a father that sent to sons to Bethel and myself going about 10 times a temporary construction worker, and despite donating time money and equitpment to work on Quick builds--(150)---DESPITE ALL THAT, the WT did not give a shit that they violated their own neutrality policy that sent me to prison and therefore pretty much blunted my life potential.
But gratefully, that was the last straw. I quit going in 2005, and in 2006 they hunted me up and wanted to have a judicial meeting. I told them that I would attend as soon as they put the charges in writing. They declined, and after me telling them by phone to "get what you are going to do done more quickly" (to quote Jesus to Judas), they disfellowshipped me and my wife.
THAT WAS THE BEST DAY OF MY LIFE.
We are very happy now, celebrating our 7th year out from under their filthy clutches. I have three of my kids out of the org with us, one, who is obviously insane is still in. He hasn't spoken to us in years. What a chump. I hope deeply in my heart that whatever holds him to that vile place will lose its grip.
So to summarize:
1975--the beginning of the decline
1980's--the decline away from Jehovah and Jesus to a Man made organization
1990's--the rejection of long held teachings that gave them the identity that they held sacred. Their secret sex party with the UN.
2000's--the exposure and the rapid decline
Thanks for reading.
Brant Jones
i've just finished an article for randy over on freeminds.org, which i've submitted to him for review.
hopefully it should be online soon, so please keep checking!.
the article discusses the fact that the watch tower society is already in decline, and suggests the year 2005 as the turning point.
Testing: tried the compatibility route, then loaded firefox. If this works I will make my post. Thanks Cedars.
i've just finished an article for randy over on freeminds.org, which i've submitted to him for review.
hopefully it should be online soon, so please keep checking!.
the article discusses the fact that the watch tower society is already in decline, and suggests the year 2005 as the turning point.
i've just finished an article for randy over on freeminds.org, which i've submitted to him for review.
hopefully it should be online soon, so please keep checking!.
the article discusses the fact that the watch tower society is already in decline, and suggests the year 2005 as the turning point.
i've just finished an article for randy over on freeminds.org, which i've submitted to him for review.
hopefully it should be online soon, so please keep checking!.
the article discusses the fact that the watch tower society is already in decline, and suggests the year 2005 as the turning point.
