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HEB 11:11 By faith Abraham, even though he was past age--and Sarah herself was barren--was enabled to become a father because he considered him faithful who had made the promise. 12 And so from this one man, and he as good as dead, came descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and as countless as the sand on the seashore.

HEB 11: 16 Instead, they were longing for a better country--a HEAVENLY ONE. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared a city for them.

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Cult Sacrifices Child

by cyrano in

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taunton, massachusetts - a religious sect leader who said he was following instructions from god when he let his infant son slowly starve to death was convicted of murder friday and sentenced to life in prison without parole.. the jury took 6 1/2 hours to find 29-year-old jacques robidoux guilty of first-degree murder.

his son, samuel, was fed only his mother's breast milk for 51 days and died in 1999, three days shy of his first birthday.. during the trial, robidoux said his sister had received a vision from god telling the couple to stop feeding the baby solid food.. robidoux choked back tears as he described how samuel went from a healthy, 10-month-old boy taking his first steps to a baby so withered he could no longer even crawl.

his tiny bones were visible, and he cried in pain.. "his cry wasn't a normal baby's cry," robidoux testified.

cyrano

TAUNTON, Massachusetts - A religious sect leader who said he was following instructions from God when he let his infant son slowly starve to death was convicted of murder Friday and sentenced to life in prison without parole.

The jury took 6 1/2 hours to find 29-year-old Jacques Robidoux guilty of first-degree murder. His son, Samuel, was fed only his mother's breast milk for 51 days and died in 1999, three days shy of his first birthday.

During the trial, Robidoux said his sister had received a vision from God telling the couple to stop feeding the baby solid food.

Robidoux choked back tears as he described how Samuel went from a healthy, 10-month-old boy taking his first steps to a baby so withered he could no longer even crawl. His tiny bones were visible, and he cried in pain.

"His cry wasn't a normal baby's cry," Robidoux testified. "At times, his eyes would roll up in the back of his head. His skin on his chest changed to a dark color."

But Robidoux, whose sect rejects modern medicine and government, said he believed that the sight of Samuel's misery was a test of the family's will from Satan and that a miracle would save the boy.

Prosecutors used as evidence against Robidoux a journal in which he documented the boy's slow death.

"It was as atrocious an act as you can have when a parent, two parents in this case, kill their child, not in a drug-induced haze, not in a violent rage, but as coldly as one could commit such a horrendous act day in, day out, for 51 days," prosecutor Walter Shea said.

Robidoux's wife, Karen, 26, faces trial Sept. 3 on a second-degree murder charge. His sister, Michelle Mingo, is awaiting trial on an accessory charge.

Defense attorney Francis O'Boy said he will appeal.

O'Boy maintained that Samuel could have died from some other cause. He called two witnesses: Robidoux and a forensic specialist who testified that he could not determine for certain that starvation was the cause of death.

In closing arguments, O'Boy asked for understanding from the jury for Robidoux, saying: "Unfortunately, the religious beliefs drilled into him as a youngster clouded his ability to make the right decision."

The sect has about 40 members from two extended families who lived in communal homes near Boston.

In 1999, another sect member, David Corneau, led authorities to Samuel's body, buried in Maine next to the remains of an infant cousin, Jeremiah. Corneau, Jeremiah's father, has said his own son was stillborn.

By DENISE LAVOIE, Associated Press Writer

This is such a sad story but in many ways reflect the watchtower cult and the many children who have died over the blood issue.

Ignorance and superstition cost lives.

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A Bible study with Moses!!

by roykaye in

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hi guys.

last sunday we had a visiting speaker.

his subject was the resurrection.

cyrano

I think about how stupid but funny that is, then I realize the Jdubs actually believe that crap.

poor saps.

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JWs without Christ?

by cyrano in

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the all knowing watchtower geezers claim christ is not the mediator for mostly all jws: .

jesus christ, is not the mediator between jehovah god and all mankind.. he is the mediator between his heavenly father, jehovah god, and the nation of spiritual israel, which is limited to only 144,000 members.

(worldwide security 1986, p10 par 1 the desire for peace and security worldwide).

cyrano

The all knowing watchtower geezers claim Christ is not the mediator for mostly all JWs:

Jesus Christ, is not the Mediator between Jehovah God and all mankind.
He is the Mediator between his heavenly Father, Jehovah God, and the nation of spiritual Israel, which is limited to only 144,000 members. (Worldwide Security 1986, p10 par 1 The Desire for Peace and Security Worldwide)

Even though the bible clearly states otherwise:

5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man,
Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself a corresponding ransom for all[this
is] what is to be witnessed to at its own particular times.
*** Rbi8 1 Timothy 2:5-6 ***

If Jesus is not the mediator with JWs, how can they pray to Jehovah since the bible clearly states no one can come to the Father except through Christ:

6 Jesus said to him: I am the way and the truth and the life. No one
comes to the Father except through me.7 If YOU men had known me, YOU
would have known my Father also; from this moment on YOU know him and have
seen him. (Rbi8 John 14:6-7)

So, all you loyal dubs, how is it that JWs are able to pray??

Edited by - cyrano on 14 June 2002 13:14:10

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The Wisest Man Who Ever Lived

by comforter in

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there have been many sages who walked the face of the earth.

the wisest man who ever lived, however, is jesus christ.

jesus made an impact on history that very few men have matched.

cyrano

The watchtower was real wise when it came to vaccination, how many children were blessed with that wise counsel?

Such wise geazers at the watchtower can't make up their mind if a woman should scream or not while being raped.

Wisdom is flowing in watchtower land in predicting the end, even though Jesus warned against doing such thing.

Yes, the watchtower has proven wise beyond all things.

NOT.

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reaction to Dateline

by blindfool in

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a few weeks back, fred told us all that after a few weeks all would be ok at the kingdom hall.. well, i can't speak for everyone, but i will tell you that my wife hasn't been to a meeting since the program aired.

she is going through a stage here where she seems really depressed.

she is spending time with her friends who are not jw's.

cyrano

She will be depressed and upset for a while, why shouldn't she?

She's finding out the watctower is not really who they claimed to be.

So, her entire concept of 'world reality' is collapsing.

This needs to happen if she is to break free from this cult, and I suggest you continue to show her other cracks in the watchtower, albiet with patience.

Breaking away from this cult will be hard, it always is.

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Interesting Post From Beliefnet

by cyrano in

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here's what a current long time witness posted on beliefnet,.

well i am new here, but i have to speak up.

i have been a witness since 1972, and we were expecting the end in 1975 in october.

cyrano

Here's what a current long time witness posted on Beliefnet,

Well I am new here, but I have to speak up. I have been a witness since 1972, and we were expecting the end in 1975 in October. Well it didn't come of course, and then there was a lot of shuffling around on that. Then some hinted 1984 at assemblies and conventions. Then I remember that the magazines kinda alluded to the idea that it was those of us following that had false expectations. Well I only expected it because the GB said it was coming, so I was not happy about that.

It is 27 years past that date, and nothing has changed still the expectation is still there, in the meetings, and the literature. But no date is given anymore. I am 51 years old and frankly I am tired, and being in expectation of Jehovah bring the end in my life time does not even excite me anymore. If he does he does, if he don't its no sweat off my forehead. I am not going at it urgently anymore.

I lost a very faithful witnesses son to death, and when you lose a loved one you realize how these failed dates are just that nothing but more pressure. Apparently somebody don't know what their talking about. And for me since that resurrection isn't here right now I don't give a hoot anymore. Nothing is going to reunite my son with our family that is going to heal it now. Trust in what, I ask, some vague promise that the end is coming and no one knows when.
The GB has been making a whole lot of mistakes, and we are the ones suffering for it. Maybe it is time to take a good hard look at it all, and quit having such blind faith because we are told to do so. This is just my thought.

And that Dateline stuff is true. I saw it twice in the congregation in NC I am in. And the victims of the child abuse live in a personal hell I can't even imagine. One is in a mental hospital most the time, and the other has had 6 husbands. All thanks to the Elders trying to cover it up. Yes Asheboro, NC, that is just one of the places that have covered up child molestations and one was an Elder who did it.

Posted by Balsam.

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Opinions

by cyrano in

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just got through visiting greg stafford's site.

most of you know he wrote the book -jehovah's witnesses defended.

in his arguments he seems to do more acrobatics then the watchtower does.

cyrano

Just got through visiting Greg Stafford's site. Most of you know he wrote the book -Jehovah's Witnesses Defended.

In his arguments he seems to do more acrobatics then the watchtower does.

Anyway, wanted to know what others here think about his work?

Edited by - cyrano on 11 June 2002 15:8:17

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The Board

by comforter in

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i have decided to spend less time on this board because of its explicit content.

i could take the time to wipe the floor with alanf who knows next to nothing about the papacy.

but we have decided to spare poor alan this time.

cyrano

I have decided to spend less time on this board because of its explicit content

Typical JW response. When they can't defend any of their ridiculous doctrines without getting crushed they have to resort to some lame excuse to leave in order to save face.

Tell me comforter, is it too uncomfortable to learn your whole world is really nothing more than make-believe?

How long will it take before you finally awaken from the twilight zone?

When you do come back and see us, you'll make an exceptional witness to the power and control the watchtower can wield on it's victims.