Posts by dedpoet

Thanks for this Atlantis, it's much appreciated.

I'll bookmark this thread so that I can find it easily again.

Trev

Hi Renee,

The rule is that, while a jw lives under the same roof as a df'd person,
they can still eat and sleep with them, but not share spiritual, ie wts
things with them.

Here's something from 15th April 1988 watchtower

What About Relatives?

11 God certainly realizes that carrying out his righteous laws about cutting off wrongdoers often involves and affects relatives. As mentioned above, when an Israelite wrongdoer was executed, no more family association was possible. In fact, if a son was a drunkard and a glutton, his parents were to bring him before the judges, and if he was unrepentant, the parents were to share in the just executing of him, 'to clear away what is bad from the midst of Israel.' (Deuteronomy 21:18-21) You can appreciate that this would not have been easy for them. Imagine, too, how the wrongdoer's brothers, sisters, or grandparents felt. Yet, their putting loyalty to their righteous God before family affection could be lifesaving for them.

12 Recall the case of Korah, a leader in rebellion against God's leadership through Moses. In his perfect justice, Jehovah saw that Korah had to die. But all loyal ones were advised: "Turn aside, please, from before the tents of these wicked men and do not touch anything that belongs to them, that you may not be swept away in all their sin." Relatives who would not accept God's warning died with the rebels. But some of Korah's relatives wisely chose to be loyal to Jehovah, which saved their lives and led to future blessings.—Numbers 16:16-33; 26:9-11; 2 Chronicles 20:19.

13 Cutting off from the Christian congregation does not involve immediate death, so family ties continue. Thus, a man who is disfellowshipped or who disassociates himself may still live at home with his Christian wife and faithful children. Respect for God's judgments and the congregation's action will move the wife and children to recognize that by his course, he altered the spiritual bond that existed between them. Yet, since his being disfellowshipped does not end their blood ties or marriage relationship, normal family affections and dealings can continue.

14 The situation is different if the disfellowshipped or disassociated one is a relative living outside the immediate family circle and home. It might be possible to have almost no contact at all with the relative. Even if there were some family matters requiring contact, this certainly would be kept to a minimum, in line with the divine principle: "Quit mixing in company with anyone called a brother that is a fornicator or a greedy person [or guilty of another gross sin], . . . not even eating with such a man."—1 Corinthians 5:11.

15 Understandably, this may be difficult because of emotions and family ties, such as grandparents' love for their grandchildren. Yet, this is a test of loyalty to God, as stated by the sister quoted on page 26. Anyone who is feeling the sadness and pain that the disfellowshipped relative has thus caused may find comfort and be encouraged by the example set by some of Korah's relatives.—Psalm 84:10-12.

http://www.quotes-watchtower.co.uk/disfellowshiping.html

I hope that helps.

When I got baptised, all the bro said to me was "hold
your nose and keep your mouth shut", good advice really.

He did say "well done" after he'd dipped me though.

Here you go oompah

Millions Now Living Will Never Die, 1925 p. 88-90

The chief thing to be restored is the human race to life; and since other Scriptures definitely fix the fact that there will be a resurrection of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and other faithful ones of old, and that these will have the first favor, we may expect 1925 to witness the return of these faithful men of Israel from the condition of death, being resurrected and fully restored to perfect humanity and made the visible, legal representatives of the new order of things on earth.. They are to be resurrected as perfect men and constitute the princes or rulers in the earth .. Therefore we may confidently expect that 1925 will mark the return of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and the faithful prophets of old, particularly those named by the Apostle in Hebrews 11, to the condition of human perfection.. A simple calculation of these jubilees brings us to this important fact: Seventy jubilees of fifty years each would be a total of 3500 years. That period of time beginning 1575 years before A.D. 1 of necessity would end in the fall of 1925, at which time the type ends and the great anti type must begin. What, then, should we expect to take palace? In the type there must be a full restoration; beginning of restoration of all things.

The Way To Paradise (book) 1924 p.228

[By 1925] You will have secured the services of the best decorators you can find. Some of them used to be undertakers; but since there are no more people dying, they have had to seek some new occupation. Their experience as undertakers prepared them to become decorators with very little difficulty.

Plenty more here

http://www.quotes-watchtower.co.uk/home.html

France 20 New Zealand 18

Another supposedly shock result. I guess the New Zealanders
and the Aussies can fly home on the same plane now, and
cut down on expenses.

This guy just doesn't know when to quit does he?

The best thing to do is ignore him imho. I'm sure he only keeps
coming back because we give him the attention he craves. I for
one won't reply to any more of his bullshit threads, and I advise
others to do the same. He isn't worth the effort.

I just received a text msg from Crumpet, I sent her one earlier
to see how she is.

She is ok, but her meds have been changed lately, and she is
concentrating on getting well and getting back to work. She
says she has stayed away recently so as not to bother anyone
with her problems, but will try and post soon. She sends her
thanks that we are concerned about her.

She sends her love, and I sent ours.

Trev

Thanks to everyone who has contributed so far, and please keep them coming.

I'll start planning the ebook when I have a few more, and keep you all updated
on progress.