Posts by jam

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Why don't you just take it like a man?

by AK - Jeff in

in a recent thread, i was basically called out in this manner.. here is part of the quote:.

mean no disrespect with the following but i have to ask, when you disassociated yourself what did you think would happen?

did you expect witnesses to suddenly change to accommodate you?

jam

I have been out since 1987, this site has help me too move on over the years. It has taken away a lot of

anger I use to feel..It takes time for some to move on.One thing I have thought about, in my case it has

been so long since I have seen or talk to my family members who are JW, nephews,nieces,greatnephews

greatnieces,brother, and daughter , some I have never MET..We live in the same area except a few(2%).

How would I respond toward my family if the shunning was found to be unchristian by the borg.

Will I be able meet my nephews, nieces, with open arms and tell them I am your uncle the one your

father (my brother) told you I was a very bad man. My grandkids , I am your grandad, you are 12 yrs.

old now I can,t say how you have grown because I never seen you before. Your mother my daughter

have told you for years that your grand dad is a bad man, why were you a bad man grand dad ?

Did you abuse my mother when she was young? No Iworked two and one time three jobs to

provide for my family so they would not be in need..When she was your sister age maybe a little

younger ,when I come home from work after working two jobs I would pick her up out of little

bed hold her near to my heart each night, I did that with all my kids. I see you have a picture

of me, wow that picture is around 13yrs. old..So if you saw me walking down the street you

would not know who I was. This is why it take some longer to move on..But I am getting

better..

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WT Society Makes JW's Feel Bad about Themselves - No Self Worth

by flipper in

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i have noticed this a lot in attitudes of witness relatives i've talked with over the last few years , as well as other former witness friends i have talked to.

many witnesses feel bad about themselves due to having it drilled into them that we are all " sinners " who allegedly inherited " sin and imperfection " from adam and eve .

that essentially humans are " born dead " or in a " dying " condition due to alleged " inherited sin " .

jam

Years of feeling worthless and also trying to cultivate the qualities of meekness and humility

makes for a very low self-esteem person. The borg treat you like dog poo and the world may think you are a

nice person but weak.The world will eat you up with those type of qualities..

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my story,my sins and their consequences

by highdose in

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with renia now gone i feel more confident to tell my story without being belittled.

i don't want to drone on and on, as having read alot of the experiances on here i find i have alot in comman with everyone.

so i thought i'd just give a short run down of the reasons why i've ended up here.

jam

highdose---Young, good looking, single and intelligent these are not the type of people they want too

be a JW..Lets face it, if you really look at how the structure of the kingdom hall congregation is set up

I wonder why any woman with any intelligence would be a member..With in the local congregation we have

1. super elder 2.regular elder 3.strange elder 4.elder wife 5. ministerial servant 6. ministerial wife 7.pioneer(male)

8.pioneer wife 9.pioneer(sister) 10. elderly sister 11. sister with children and unbelieveing mate(her position could

change if her husband became a JW and also how well off financially she may be) and she is not a threat to the

elders wives.!2. single sister with children and then 13. single, good looking, young and intelligent sister, a

deadly combination...It,s set up to repress any abilities women may have , be happy while you are still young

you can now enjoy life to the full.

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JW Defenders- Is WTS Right to Insist You Stay Away From these Websites?

by OnTheWayOut in

i read these threads and there are a few that bend over backwards to say why wts is correct on this issue or that issue.. they act like typical jw's that refuse to acknowledge points that may show that wts is not following the scriptures or that wts goes beyond the scriptures in a way that is not supported by others.. the point could be the blood issue or shunning or whether 1799 or 1914 was the start (or finish?

) of the last days or whether there is a faithful and discreet slave class or not.

i don't want to harp on each point.

jam

my personal opinion on the "the right to insist you stay away from the web", no they do not have a right.

But there somthing I have obsered over the past few years..There is a need for this type of cultist religion.

Before everyone jump down my throat, I say this because, there is something good about life when you have

all the answer too life..Thier are certain people that can not function in normal society, the jails are full of these

people..They need a higher authority, visible or invisible..The WTS have stated , individual may become confuse

when reading apostate web sites..The truth should not be confusing, but for those individuals that know they

have the answers too all of life problems you do have a sense of comfortablity with life..I have ask several people

JWs, a baptist minister and family members , what would do if what you have been taught all your life concerning

the bible was wrong. The baptist minister, it would be lawlessness what will stop me from doing things I use to

do before I got saved..All I ask stated similar answers...So what I am saying is I feel most JWs do not want to know

the truth about the truth. For those is like awaiting the results from the Doctor to see if your have cancer.

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When Did You First Get Exposed To "Apostate" Info? How Did It Affect You?

by minimus in

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as a kid, i used to read all the watchtowers of the 40s and 50s to see how the present day information developed from its original "thought".

i was exposed to many eye opening statements but i swept them under the carpet (although it stayed in the recesses of my brain) until the time was right.. so for me, it was a gradual thing.. how were you affected by your first encounters with "apostate" material?

?.

jam

This site JWD since 2004. The knowledgeable frinds here have made me a proud

APOSTATE, in fact I told the last group of witnessess when they came too my

door, I am a APOSTATE, and I am proud of being one. Iam sure my name will

go down in the dreadful list, do not call list the witnessess keep. The two ladies

were speechless when I told them.. My wife ask me how can you stop them

from coming to our door, this will certainly put a end to it..

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As a Child, Which Did You Think About More?

by BabaYaga in

petting baby animals in paradise, or the fiery rain of armegeddon?.

i can tell you which one i thought about every single day.

armegeddon absolutely terrified me.

jam

Interesting, several have stated that surviving the big A are making too paradise was questionable.

I believe down deep many are not sure if they are going to survive, why because they are trying to

live a perfect life, which is impossible..IT,s funny, if you ask someone in the traditional religions, there

is know doubt if they are going to heaven or paradise.SO THAT belief ," believe in the Father and Son

all will be saved" sure make it easy for ones life . Unlike the JW, you can attend all 5 meetings weekly,

get over 100hrs in service, no stealing,no blood,no college,no fornication almost everything a normal

human might experince in his or her life time. After you have kept your self clean from all these devises

one is still not sure if he or she will make it...

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Most Detested WT Publication

by Nosferatu in

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what is the wt publication you hated the most (i mean besides all of them?).

mine was that faggy pink "listening to the great teacher" book.

my mother tried to teach both me and the neighbor's worldly kid lessons from that book, and you know how embarrasing it is for a boy to be put straight by a pink book?.

jam

WHAT does the bible really teach; This book came after I left. On page 100 how demons mislead you.

Are these people that dumb, they don.t realize this apply to them. Act16;16-18 "a demon of divination that enable a girl to practice "the

art of prediction . But she lost this ability when the demon was cast out of her. I guess the demons are still with them..

They have not stop the predictions..

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Name Things JWs Believe That Are Not Actually Biblically Provable

by minimus in

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here's one example: being a congregation publisher.

nowhere in the bible does it say you should be a "publisher" and turn in your time if you preach.

they try to twist the scriptures by saying that numbers are constantly being recorded in the bible so then conforming to the rules of being a publisher is from the scriptures.. yeah, right..

jam

job 1;4,5 and 3;1-4 what day was job sons celebrating???

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An Open Letter to Jehovah's Witnesses

by AK - Jeff in

dear jw's -.

i was, not too long ago, one of you.

i loved jehovah, and his organization.

jam

Humanitarian, are JW,s humanitarian..The answer yes we are, we help people become productive citizens.

Yes but you can,t feed a young baby a wt. to eat. It,s very difficult to be a humanitarian as a witnesses..

Most churchs perform some type of charitable giving to those in need..Since leaving the witnesses I have come

to understand the meaning of this word Human-itarian, in the true since..While we are here on this earth

we need to make it as best as we can..As a witnesses your contribution too mankind , to offer paradise, that fine when it comes

but in the mean time, what. Mankind, to the average witnesses is a road block preventing them reaching

paradise. If you do not except our teaching you will die when the big one comes. So you develop a hatefulness

aganist those that do not except your teaching.. So as for as you are concern all of mankind can go too hell.

I believe most on this site have come to realize this, we speak up when child abuse is rampant, we speak up

when our human brothers are dieing needless (blood), we speak up when families are torn a part. I guess

what I am trying to say since leaving the witnesses we have become more humane..I believe God will

forgive us even if we are not witnesses any more...

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How many Witness families do you know that still shun their children?

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

my congregation had many teens that were disfellowshipped.

none of them have been back to the meetings.

they either got married or moved out of their parents home.. it saddens me that i haven't seen any of them at any family functions.

jam

let say , new light, We were wrong, no more shunning this is not God love etc...How many could overcome the

damage , could you after so many years of being shun, treated like manure, your children treated the same.

What would be your emottional response, you get a phone call from your mother, we can speak to you

know, new light , the Gov. body said it,s OK... I agree with the last post, it will not be the same family..