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Posts by besty
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106Video of admitted child molester in Jehovahs Witnesses has gone viral!
by disfellowshipped1 innotice these two attorneys opining on this case.. http://watchtowerleaks.com/tagged/child-molestation.
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Your views and ideas on forum areas and organization?
by Simon inthis may come as a shock to some people, but the current forum structure was kind of thrown together without much real thought and then evolved a bit over time.
there are a few things that particularly grate on me and areas where i don't think the subjects work particularly well.
'friends' is a bit vague and becomes a dumping ground, news & world events vs politics & current affairs is hard to decide sometimes, child abuse is a scandal but isn't contained withing 'scandals & coverups' etc.... with a new forum platform imminent, it's a good time to solicit ideas to improve things.
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besty
linking to a specific post - I seem to recall that used to be do-able?
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Britain | Jehovah's Witnesses hushed up child sex scandal | July 16, 2013
by jwleaks inchurch officials hushed up a child sex scandal in their ranks and refused to co-operate with police.. .
jehovah witness ministerial servant gordon leighton admitted sexually abusing a child when he was confronted by his church elders, a court heard.. but during the official police investigation, the 53-year-old who made headlines in the 1990s when wife yvonne, 28, died after refusing a blood transfusion after childbirth on religious grounds denied any illegal wrongdoing.. and when detectives asked elders simon preyser, harry logan and david scott to make statements about the confession, all three refused and said what they had heard was confidential.. for three years, the elders refused to co-operate with the criminal investigation and kept up that stance when the case was brought before newcastle crown court after the victim made a complaint to police.. each was issued with a witness summons which they fought to overturn before being ordered to testify by judge penny moreland citing public interest.. their barrister richard daniels said the men had a duty to god not to breach confidence.. he added: privileged communication between members of the congregation and ministers is an absolute right and duty and there is no power in law to breach such a confidence.. judge moreland said: it is apparent that the three elders who were present when this conversation took place are in possession of relevant evidence as to a point which is of real significance in this case.. they claim the right of confidentiality, they claim that what they heard said by the defendant during the course of that meeting ought to be subject to privilege, as ministers of religion.. judge moreland refused to withdraw the summonses and said: public interest is clearly in favour of this evidence being given.. what was said by the defendant on that occasion is of great significance in the trial.. despite the judges ruling, the men still refused to make statements to police until just hours before they were called before the jury.. leighton, who has since been expelled from the church at lambton kingdom hall in washington, denied two charges of indecency with a child and seven of indecent assault.. he was yesterday found guilty of two charges of indecency with a child and six of indecent assault.
he was found not guilty of one indecent assault charge, on the direction of the judge.. he was remanded in custody until he is sentenced next month but warned he is facing a lengthy spell behind bars.. prosecutor katherine dunn told the court the victim, who is now an adult, broke her silence in 2009.. the court heard how at a special church meeting, leighton admitted sexual abuse and made excuses for his behaviour.. miss dunn said: the elders conducted their own investigation.
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besty
JW's could do the same, but no, they are happy to leave the vulnerable at more risk than in society at large.
correct - and further, elders children enjoy a higher level of protection than non-elders children.
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brittania waives the rules
by bigmac inthe royal navy is proud to announce its new fleet of type 45 destroyers.
having initially named the first two ships hms daring and hms dauntless, the naming committee has, after intensive pressure from brussels , renamed them hms cautious and hms prudence.
the next five ships are to be hms empathy, hms circumspect, hms nervous, hms timorous and hms apologist.
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besty
Crew members will now no longer have to ask permission to grow beards and/or moustaches. This applies equally to *female crew.
*fixed for additional humour.
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brittania waives the rules
by bigmac inthe royal navy is proud to announce its new fleet of type 45 destroyers.
having initially named the first two ships hms daring and hms dauntless, the naming committee has, after intensive pressure from brussels , renamed them hms cautious and hms prudence.
the next five ships are to be hms empathy, hms circumspect, hms nervous, hms timorous and hms apologist.
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besty
"preak"?
LOL
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besty
ouch we missed out - next time for sure! <specially if Serena Williams is there again> :-)
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30 JWs baptized every hour
by Calebs Airplane ini just came across this gem on "the chatanoogan"... it was an ad/article about the 2013 dc at the nw georgia trade & convention center arena .... what i found most interesting was the fluff at the end of the article.... fast facts - jehovah's witnesses worldwide.
6 - new congregations formed each day30 - people baptized each hour on average239 - lands where jehovah's witnesses currently preach595 - languages in which they publish bibles and bible-based literature111,719 congregations worldwide7,538,994 - ministers who teach the bible19,000,000 - people who attend their meetings or conventions179,000,000 - bibles published by jehovah's witnesses in 116 languages20,000,000,000 - pieces of bible-based literature published by jehovah's witnesses over the past 10 yearsare you kidding me?
6 congos formed each day?
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besty
top 11 languages gets you 40% coverage - the rest is just posturing by the WTS.
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Britain | Jehovah's Witnesses hushed up child sex scandal | July 16, 2013
by jwleaks inchurch officials hushed up a child sex scandal in their ranks and refused to co-operate with police.. .
jehovah witness ministerial servant gordon leighton admitted sexually abusing a child when he was confronted by his church elders, a court heard.. but during the official police investigation, the 53-year-old who made headlines in the 1990s when wife yvonne, 28, died after refusing a blood transfusion after childbirth on religious grounds denied any illegal wrongdoing.. and when detectives asked elders simon preyser, harry logan and david scott to make statements about the confession, all three refused and said what they had heard was confidential.. for three years, the elders refused to co-operate with the criminal investigation and kept up that stance when the case was brought before newcastle crown court after the victim made a complaint to police.. each was issued with a witness summons which they fought to overturn before being ordered to testify by judge penny moreland citing public interest.. their barrister richard daniels said the men had a duty to god not to breach confidence.. he added: privileged communication between members of the congregation and ministers is an absolute right and duty and there is no power in law to breach such a confidence.. judge moreland said: it is apparent that the three elders who were present when this conversation took place are in possession of relevant evidence as to a point which is of real significance in this case.. they claim the right of confidentiality, they claim that what they heard said by the defendant during the course of that meeting ought to be subject to privilege, as ministers of religion.. judge moreland refused to withdraw the summonses and said: public interest is clearly in favour of this evidence being given.. what was said by the defendant on that occasion is of great significance in the trial.. despite the judges ruling, the men still refused to make statements to police until just hours before they were called before the jury.. leighton, who has since been expelled from the church at lambton kingdom hall in washington, denied two charges of indecency with a child and seven of indecent assault.. he was yesterday found guilty of two charges of indecency with a child and six of indecent assault.
he was found not guilty of one indecent assault charge, on the direction of the judge.. he was remanded in custody until he is sentenced next month but warned he is facing a lengthy spell behind bars.. prosecutor katherine dunn told the court the victim, who is now an adult, broke her silence in 2009.. the court heard how at a special church meeting, leighton admitted sexual abuse and made excuses for his behaviour.. miss dunn said: the elders conducted their own investigation.
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besty
@prime
If there was any legal objection presented to being called to testify in court
You and I both know that lawyers can prolong and prevaricate in court using many devices and tactics to keep their client out of the witness box.
The question here is why was the Watchtower prepared to devote legal counsel expenses to a case involving a disfellowshipped child molestor - remember he had been reproved and disfellowshipped way before 'the months of legal wrangling' - just to be clear this wrangling was the Watchtower legal team and the Crown Prosecution, NOT the local elders and the local police.
Why?
I put it to you it was because the Watchtower was caught in a murky spiral of its own making, with each mistep compounding the previous one.
Mistake 1 - at the confessional meeting (under instruction from the WTS undoubtedly) 'going to the police was not discussed as an option' - if you were the Watchtower would you want your agents admitting this in open court?
Mistake 2 - the elders (under instruction from the WTS undoubtedly) refused to cooperate with the police investigation for a period covering several years - if you were the Watchtower would you want your agents admitting this in open court?
Mistake 3 - the elders (under instruction from the WTS undoubtedly) refused to comply with a Witness Summons, until the Judge made it clear there was a possible contempt charge if they didn't (read jailtime and criminal record). Faced with a criminal record for attempting to protect a child abuser, they complied. Finally.
Why did the Watchtower allow this situation go from bad to worse, ending up with their name in the press <again> for trying to cover up child abuse?
Why?
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30 JWs baptized every hour
by Calebs Airplane ini just came across this gem on "the chatanoogan"... it was an ad/article about the 2013 dc at the nw georgia trade & convention center arena .... what i found most interesting was the fluff at the end of the article.... fast facts - jehovah's witnesses worldwide.
6 - new congregations formed each day30 - people baptized each hour on average239 - lands where jehovah's witnesses currently preach595 - languages in which they publish bibles and bible-based literature111,719 congregations worldwide7,538,994 - ministers who teach the bible19,000,000 - people who attend their meetings or conventions179,000,000 - bibles published by jehovah's witnesses in 116 languages20,000,000,000 - pieces of bible-based literature published by jehovah's witnesses over the past 10 yearsare you kidding me?
6 congos formed each day?
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besty
2.5 steps forward + 1 step back = 2% growth
(figures have been rounded)
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Pope bans reporting of child abuse?!
by nicolaou init's an unconfirmed and uncorroborated article.
please god, don't let it be true... .
http://beforeitsnewsblog.wordpress.com/2013/07/20/pope-bans-reporting-of-sex-abuse-alternative-2/.
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besty
these are Vatican-specific laws and have no jurisdiction outwith the Vatican
actually seems to be a better definition of crimes against children to allow for longer sentences if found guilty
also new laws making a crime of leaking information out of the Vatican - not banning reporting of child abuse.