Posts by Annanias

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For Those Of you Who Still Believe That the Bible Is A Rational Work

by Joe Bloggs in

for those of you who still believe that the bible is a rational work.

just reading the bible as well as other religion's epic writings shows how fantasy, that is converted to myth, and mistaken as history, has done that perfectly.

the lack of knowledge of science, physics, and human nature shows the stories to be of pure myth time and time again.

Annanias

Okay, so let me get this straight, because you consider the Syrian steam engine a "toy" that discounts it? And because somebody can find a publisher to print his theory on the pyramids, that makes it right? I see. You didn't answer the question guys, which part of the Bible did you find as being out of tune with physics? How id Machu Pichu get built? Stonehenge?

Quotes - you might study a bit on the progrssion of science and acientific thought. Archimedes did some fairly interesting stuff, but since Setmor Cray hadn't been born yet I guess that makes it all just fun and games. Let's see, the Egyptians have batteries, the Chinese have batteries, but because they didn't invent Las Vegas, they were just messing around?

Panda - Is Carl Sagan the best you can come up with? "I see that by your premise you are part of the anti-Enlightenment culture which is sending us back to the Dark Ages (not a nice time for educated folk)." Which "premise" might that be? You might try reading a bit of history yourself, if you can managed to overcome your "enlightened" conceit, you might find it helpful. To which "Dark Ages" do you refer? To which "educated folk" are you referring?

Your original premise was that because "modern" science (which isn't really all that modern) can tell us with some degree of accuracy (but by no mean definitively) a little more about our universe than we knew yesterday. Because we've managed to bend some of this understanding into neat shapes and things (some of which may kill us in a flash) that proves the Bible is an irrational collection of fables and stories that only children would listen to. One does not follow the other. You are bending reality and logic into as unreasonable a conjecture as you ever cackled the Bible to be doing. And that is going to bring about your boogieman "Dark Ages" faster than 1000 JW's knocking on your door.

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The Loss of Innocence.....and Recovering

by Frannie Banannie in

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in mulling over the almost 6 decades of my life, almost two decades of which were spent being enamored of just one more false religion, then spending the following decade discovering all of its deceptions, i feel a tremendous loss of innocence.

as though i were a victim of sexual assault, i don?t now believe that i will ever recover an ability to believe or trust in anyone where religion or blind faith in anything is concerned again in this lifetime.

because, to me......that?s what faith is.....blindness.

Annanias

Frannjie, yes, youth is wasted on the young. Maybe that's why grandchildren have the hypnotic effect that they do, grandparents are trying for one more taste of that innocence, even if vicarious. Being There's point about the brain's wiring is an excellent point as well. Is it the fact that we lose our innocence, or the depth to which we lose it? When I read Jack London, Dickens, goodness, even Dashell Hammit, I can't help but come away with a sense of innocence in their air. It's like comparing "The Maltese Falcon", with it's intrigue and danger as a result of man's greed, to Hannibal Lecter; comparing Beaver Cleaver to John Connor, or Scarlett O'Hara to Madonna. I think our loss of innocence has become a collective thing.

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"Waiting on Jehovah" - A NEW WAY of looking at it.

by Confucious in

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so my ex-j dub girfriend just emailed me asking me why i haven't been to the meetings.

this really got my blood going.

se if you can see how i applied the "wait on jehovah" line.

Annanias

Is it just me, or is the human race losing the ability to communicate via the written word?

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WHAT IF WE DIDN'T POISON CHILDREN'S MINDS WITH FANTASY?

by Terry in

every baby born seems to have a giant helping of fairy stories, talking animals, outrageous exaggerations parading as "fact" and an endless stream of cartoons, science fiction and make-believe.

the laws of nature and physics are violated every few seconds in film and tv!

is it surprising that children are not only ignorant of how things really work-but, they don't have patience and an appetite for fact when they get to the schoolroom.

Annanias

Terry, your question begins with an incorrect assumption. You apparently believe that fantasy is something that is put into a person's mind. This is simply not true. Fantasy, along with imagination, curiosity, language come pre-wired into the human brain. And apparently, fantasy is an extremely powerful portion of the mind. Thus the human capacity and need for dreaming. All humans dream, and apparently, our minds require a fixed amount of dreaming. If we loose dream time tonight, we will make up for it by dreaming more the next night. Unless, curiously enough, we are schizophrenic.

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For Those Of you Who Still Believe That the Bible Is A Rational Work

by Joe Bloggs in

for those of you who still believe that the bible is a rational work.

just reading the bible as well as other religion's epic writings shows how fantasy, that is converted to myth, and mistaken as history, has done that perfectly.

the lack of knowledge of science, physics, and human nature shows the stories to be of pure myth time and time again.

Annanias

"Just reading the bible as well as other religion's epic writings shows how fantasy, that is converted to myth, and mistaken as history, has done that perfectly. The lack of knowledge of science, physics, and human nature shows the stories to be of pure myth time and time again."

This is a rather broad statement, and one that is going to be terribly hard to substantiate. The lack of exactly who's "knowledge of science, physics, and human nature" do you refer? The writers of the Bible? Which particular scripture(s) do you refer to as being out of accord with known physics? I don't recall much of the Bible being based upon a hell of a lot of physics, but maybe I missed that part. Please define "epic". If you mean epic as a literary genre, I'm sorry, that's a 20th century Hollywood term and hardly applicable to the Bible, or any of it's characters.

It always makes me chuckle when I hear some pseudo-wise guy make off hand remarks about the ignorance of those poor stupid people way back when. When our "modern" science can give me a reasonable answer as to how the Incas built Machu Pichu, the Druids managed Stonehenge, and the ancient Egyptians could end up with cocaine in their system, then you can start a "reasonable" discussion of the "myths" of the Bible or any other religion.

Think of this, during Europe's Age of Reason, electricity was considered magic, while the Syrians had already invented a steam engine during the time of Alex the Great.

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M theory give and call it the god really exist theory

by meggidon555 in

http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/m_theory

change the name to the g theory (and i don't mean godzilla take the zilla off) .

i saw this documentary on discovery science the other night .

Annanias

M theory is built upon the concept of 11 dimensions as membranes, and the "physical" universe that we are in is the result of the "mixing" of these membranes (reputedly, the "branes" are inifnite in width, but onlt 10^-20 in thickness) as these membranes mix, bubbles are created, sort of like bubbles in bubble wrap. Each "bubble" is a universe, with each bubble being a different mix of branes and therefore a "different" universe. Gravity is simply a result of the mix, pretty much like everything else, including physical law. Instead of worrying about gravity, worry why neutrons are able to hold shape.

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Did You Take Insults From the Householders Personally?

by GermanXJW in

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i remember that people could really get rude in the house-to-house-ministry.

some jw just shrugged their shoulders and imagines how this very person got destroyed in armageddon?

others covered it with "love": people are unknowing and misled.

Annanias

Not really, but maybe I was lucky and only got the dumb ones. I spent most of my time trying to keep from laughing. Gumby - I had a redneck get pissed at me and tell me, "You won't stand up for what you believe." I think I know what he was trying to say, but the 15 functioning brain cells that he had probably got tuckered keeping his lips from moving as he read the title of the magazine. The only time that I can remember where I might have felt a little upset was when a Baptist fanatic grabbed the Bible out of my hand to see that it was a NWT and then jammed it back into my hands with a snort and some mumble about "garbage". What I'd like to see here is a thread where we all describe our most whackiest householders. I had a skinny old lady take the magazines, and then started into some sort of religious fervor. She worked herself up into this kind of froth as she went through the holy roller littany of "Jesus is my saviour. He came here to die for us. He's our friend!" and so on. Then she started hitting herelf with the magazines that she had rolled up. Now, you gotta picture this. Here I am, in my suit with my BB and here's this skinny little gray haired thing ranting on about some sh*t, making little popping noises with the magazines as she whacks herself in the chest like those muslim dudes do with their whips. Pretty soon, the magazines get frayed as hell and little pieces of WT and Awake start floating down like some sort of heavenly dandruff or something. Me and the guy I was with just look at each other, turn and walked out of the apt building. I just knew that the neighbors were huddled behind their doors with shocked looks on their faces, "My God, Francine! Those Jehovahs are beating Mabel with their magazines. Maybe we should call the police!"

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Is There Anything That You'd Like to Talk About??

by minimus in

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what's on your mind?

share your darkest, deepest thoughts with us......

Annanias

Terry - have them find you. One thing I've thought would be nice is a mood alteration/enhancement site that can be used at work. Since you can stream audio fairly easily today, it is something a people at work (chained to their machines in their cubes of hell) could use. Not necessarily a radio station with it's interruptions and demands on you attention and so forth, but a "scientifically" put together sequence of sounds (white noise, pink noise) and music. So, if I get to work in the morning and I am feeling "ok" (whatever that is), I can tune into a "mood extender" and if it's after lunch and I want to fight the PM fatigue, I connect to that. The selling point would be that a room full of engineers, CS people, or whoever, i.e. people who are supposed to "think" for a living, spend a lot of their personal energy blanking out all of the extraneous noises and distractions. Your music/enhancer assists them to do that and costs very little energy. Actually, it adds energy. You can have various levels of it: pre-meeting, post meeting, wind down to go home, wind up to create, etc. Your service isn't just "elevator" music, but an actual mood altering system, at least, that's the way you sell it.

BTW - you don't want to know my deepest, darkest thoughts. Your monitor would melt.

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Jehovah - The Magical God

by Nosferatu in

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jehovah is such a magical god.

he can make the impossible possible.

he will cure all your problems, he will create logic when there is confusion.

Annanias

TMS - According to their faith? Excuse me, I just got done with a wracking cough caused by a laughing fit. Sorry, but he needs to get a new advance man, he does not live up to his billing. Yeah, a God of miracles alright, I guess he was too busy helping some fat lady choose her lottery numbers when I needed him, huh? Okay, please define "faith" for me. I must've been using the wrong one.

Y'know, the book of Job, with all of it's Pathos, hubris, pain, and poetry, still comes down to a couple of individuals with absolutely no concern for the poor fu*kers who had to go thru it. In the beginning, Satan and Jehovah make a bet and Satan proceeds to kick Job's ass. But what is really interesting is that the first thing Satan does is kill Job's children with a tornado. Excuse me? You mean these poor dipsh*ts rate no more than an "oh yeah" in the Bible because of some fu*king bet? I can just imagine this poor stupid sh*t son of Job as he gets ripped up into the air by a tornado thinking, "Hooooolllly shit!!! God what did I dooooooooooo?" So God scratches his chin, picks at his nose, and says, "Nothing personal. This is business."

I asked an "elder" about this one time. I mean, what a dirty trick, to deep six some poor bastard who didn't even see it comming, for a bet! The "elder" told me, "Well, maybe it was his time?" Oh, that's just fuc*ing grea!. Well, maybe it's time you sucked my...

"Hey Ralph, see those two kids playing hopscotch over there?"

"Yeah, Duke, what about 'em?"

"I bet I can spray that one with lighter fluid, strike him up, and he won't get six feet. What d'ya say?"

"Six feet?. Okay, yer on."

Are you telling me that with all of the supposed intelligence, smarts, brains, abilities, that this is the best that these two geniuses could come up with? Oh, doesn't this just instill loads of fuc*ing confidence in what's comming down the road?

"Okay, okay. A couple of sparkelers up his ass and he jumps greater than 35 inches."

"Okay, 35 inches and he loves me. Less than 35 and he's an evil, worthless piece of shit. You're on."

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What Would You Tell a Prospective New Poster About JWD??

by minimus in

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i was talking to 2 someday to be ex jws about the forum and they want to join.

i did let them know that not everyone is as sweet as they are.

i mentioned that most here are very nice and that a few have issues.

Annanias

1. The heart is treacherous, who can know it?

2. What has been done, cannot be undone.

3. Nobody cares.