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  My Debut

  by TheMan in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  after lurking for who knows how many months now, i finally did it.

  i posted!!!!

  i'll have to share my story at some point, but here's what made me do it.

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  moomanchu

  Welcome the man,

  Sounds like you have a good relationship with your wife best wishes.

  My situation was similar when I talked about packing it in with the witnesses my wife was

  on it it like white on rice. Thank God.
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  Comments You Will Not Hear at the 2-4-07 WT Study (Justice)

  by blondie in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  comments you will not hear at the 02-04-07 wt study (december 15, 2006, pages 25-29)(justice be done).

  when in particular will god "cause justice to be done"?.

  (luke 18:1; 2 thessalonians 3:13) granted, the coming of "the great day of jehovah" does not depend on our prayers--it will come whether we pray for it or not.

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  moomanchu

  Good read

  I know one thing for sure it's a heavy responsibility to claim to speak for God.

  Have they know fear of God ?
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  Rainbow Covenant

  by moomanchu in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  bible.

  gen 9: and god went on to bless noah and his sons and to say to them: "be fruitful and become many and fill the earth.

  2 and a fear of you and a terror of you will continue upon every living creature of the earth and upon every flying creature of the heavens, upon everything that goes moving on the ground, and upon all the fishes of the sea.

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  moomanchu

  Bible

  Gen 9: And God went on to bless Noah and his sons and to say to them: "Be fruitful and become many and fill the earth. 2 And a fear of YOU and a terror of YOU will continue upon every living creature of the earth and upon every flying creature of the heavens, upon everything that goes moving on the ground, and upon all the fishes of the sea. Into YOUR hand they are now given. 3Every moving animal that is alive may serve as food for YOU . As in the case of green vegetation, I do give it all to YOU . 4Only flesh with its soul-its blood-you must not eat. 5 And, besides that, YOUR blood of YOUR souls shall I ask back. From the hand of every living creature shall I ask it back; and from the hand of man, from the hand of each one who is his brother, shall I ask back the soul of man. 6 Anyone shedding man’s blood, by man will his own blood be shed, for in God’s image he made man. 7 And as for YOU men, be fruitful and become many, make the earth swarm with YOU and become many in it."

  8 And God went on to say to Noah and to his sons with him: 9 "And as for me, here I am establishing my covenant with YOU men and with YOUR offspring after YOU , 10 and with every living soul that is with YOU , among fowls, among beasts and among all living creatures of the earth with YOU , from all those going out of the ark to every living creature of the earth. 11 Yes, I do establish my covenant with YOU : No more will all flesh be cut off by waters of a deluge, and no more will there occur a deluge to bring the earth to ruin."

  Insight books

  Blood

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  whomdoestheprohibitionontheeatingofbloodapply?

  Noah and his sons were allowed by Jehovah to add animal flesh to their diet after the Flood, but they were strictly commanded not to eat blood. (Ge 9:1, 3, 4) God here set out a regulation that applied, not merely to Noah and his immediate family, but to all mankind from that time on, because all those living since the Flood are descendants of Noah’s family.

  Noah

  Jehovah blessed the Flood survivors, commanding them: "Be fruitful and become many and fill the earth." Then he made new decrees for their welfare: (1) He kindly allowed them to add the flesh of animals to their diet; (2) but since the soul is in the blood, the blood was not to be eaten; (3) capital punishment by duly constituted authority was instituted. These laws were to be binding on all mankind, as children of Noah’s three sons.-Ge 1:28; 9:1-7; 10:32.

  After making these decrees, Jehovah proceeded to say: "And as for me, here I am establishing my covenant with you men and with your offspring after you, and with every living soul that is with you, among fowls, among beasts and among all living creatures of the earth with you . . . Yes, I do establish my covenant with you: No more will all flesh be cut off by waters of a deluge, and no more will there occur a deluge to bring the earth to ruin." The rainbow stands to this day as a "sign," or reminder, of this covenant.-Ge 9:8-17; Isa 54:9.

  Rainbow

  Covenant.

  The rainbow covenant was made between Jehovah God and all flesh (human and animal), as represented by Noah and his family, in 2369 B.C.E., in the mountains of Ararat. Jehovah stated that he would never again destroy all flesh by means of a flood. The rainbow was then given as a sign of the covenant, which endures as long as mankind lives on earth, that is, forever.-Ge 9:8-17; Ps 37:29.

  What I get out of all this.

  Blessing, Command

  Jehovah blessed the Flood survivors, commanding them: "Be fruitful and become many and fill the earth." Watchtowers explanation of this = don't worry bout it ?? Agree

  Rainbow Covenant

  Jehovah stated that he would never again destroy all flesh by means of a flood.

  Agree

  Decrees , Everlasting ???

  (1) He kindly allowed them to add the flesh of animals to their diet.

  Disagree,Obviously not an Not everlasting decree.

  Oops watchtower forgot to say added

  all flesh of animals to their diet. This decree was then

  rescinded under the law covenant,and then later reestablished by Peter.

  (2) the soul is in the blood, the blood was not to be eaten

  Disagree,

  Oops Watchtower forgot to say flesh with blood was not to be eaten.

  Mark 7: 18 So he said to them: "Are

  YOU also without perception like them? Are YOU

  not aware that nothing from outside that passes into a man can defile him, 19 since it passes,

  not into [his] heart, but into [his] intestines, and it passes out into the sewer?" Thus he declared

  all foods clean.

  (3) capital punishment by duly constituted authority was instituted.

  Agree

  What say you ?
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  prince born again?? newspaper says so?

  by moomanchu in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://www.mcall.com/entertainment/music/all-superbowlhalftimefeb03,0,880081.story.

  the nfl pooh-bahs hate surprises.

  they're in the business of selling advertising time, and they want a halftime show anchored by celebrity artists who won't cause them or their corporate sponsors any trouble.

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  moomanchu

  http://www.mcall.com/entertainment/music/all-superbowlhalftimefeb03,0,880081.story

  The NFL pooh-bahs hate surprises. They're in the business of selling advertising time, and they want a halftime show anchored by celebrity artists who won't cause them or their corporate sponsors any trouble. Last year, Sprint shelled out $12 million to sponsor an appearance by the Stones. Sunday when the Bears play the Colts, it's Prince's turn. Though he once specialized in sexually explicit performances, Prince is now the ideal Super Bowl halftime entertainer: A born-again Christian and Vegas act with a trove of hits ready to be dusted off.
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  More Christian Humor

  by moomanchu in

  1. social
  2. humour

  story of elijah .

  the sunday school teacher was carefully explaining the story of elijah the prophet and the false prophets of baal.

  she explained how elijah built the altar, put wood upon it, cut the steer in pieces, and laid it upon the altar.

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  moomanchu

  STORY OF ELIJAH
  
  The Sunday school teacher was carefully explaining the story of Elijah the Prophet and the false prophets of Baal. She explained how Elijah built the altar, put wood upon it, cut the steer in pieces, and laid it upon the altar. Then, Elijah commanded the people of God to fill four barrels of water and pour it over the altar. He had them do this four times. "Now, said the teacher, "can anyone in the class tell me why the Lord would have Elijah pour water over the steer on the altar?" A little girl in the back of the room started waving her hand, "I know! I know!" she said, "To make the gravy!" LOT'S WIFE
  
  The Sunday School teacher was describing how Lot's wife looked back and turned into a pillar of salt, when little Jason interrupted, "My Mummy looked back once, while she was driving," he announced triumphantly, "and she turned into a telephone pole!"
  
  
  DID NOAH FISH? 
  
  A Sunday school teacher asked, "Johnny, do you think Noah did a lot of fishing when he was on the Ark?" "No," replied David. "How could he, with just two worms?"
  
  
  HIGHER POWER
  
  A Sunday school teacher said to her children, " We have been learning how powerful kings and queens were in Bible times. But, there is a higher power. Can anybody tell me what it is?" One child blurted out, "Aces!"
  
  
  MOSES &THE RED SEA
  
  Nine-year-old Joey, was asked by his mother what he had learned in Sunday school. "Well, Mom, our teacher told us how God sent Moses behind enemy lines on a rescue mission to lead the Israelites out of Egypt . When he got to the Red Sea, he had his army build a pontoon bridge and all the people walked across safely Then, he radioed headquarters for reinforcements. They sent bombers to blow up the bridge and all the Israelites were saved". "Now, Joey, is that really what your teacher taught you?" his mother asked. "Well, no, Mom, but, if I told it the way the teacher did, you'd never believe it!"
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  Bethel Pedophile Cano sentenced

  by Nathan Natas in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  from: http://www.midhudsonnews.com/news/cano_sentenced-29jan07.htm.

  cano sentenced for offering boys sex.

  goshen a hamlet of wallkill man who was convicted in a non-jury trial last fall for trying to lure boys to engage in sexual activity was sentenced in orange county court monday to two to six years in state prison.. jesus cano, 50, who was a clergyman with the jehovahs witnesses, was sentenced for the felonies of attempted use of a child in a sexual performance and attempted promotion of a sexual performance by a child.. cano was charged with driving around the city of middletown last summer, handing out packets to boys with nude photos of himself, his phone number and other information.. when middletown police arrested him, they found a video camera in his car which a tape that was shot inside a mens room at ohare airport in chicago.. .

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  moomanchu

  I wonder how soon he can be reinstated as a JW.

  After his reinstatement he can preach to the convicts, maybe this was his plan all along?

  Not; he was just a horny bethelite who lived in a fantasy world .
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  More JW Folklore, Enjoy

  by moomanchu in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  sent to me by my jw relatives.. is this for real ??????????

  from a brother in kansas.. this was an experience from japan, as told by a circuit overseer: .

  jehovah's witnesses were doing street work and placed some magazines with a man.

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  moomanchu

  Sent to me by my JW relatives.

  Is this for real ?????????? Any one seen this before?

  From a Brother in Kansas.

  This was an experience from Japan, as told by a circuit overseer:
  
  Jehovah's Witnesses were doing street work and placed some magazines with a man.
  
  At first, the fellow decided he would discard them in the next trash can.
  
  He just thought he was doing the Witnesses a favor by buying the magazines. As he walked along however, he thought of a man he knew in prison; he would send them to him instead!
  
  So these magazines got into the hands of a man named Nekata, serving time on death row. He was serving time for multiple murders, and considered incorrigible. He was so mean and ugly that he would spit on anyone that came near his cell and he would shout out the worst obscenities at people. He would often take his cup and bang it against the bars and shout "kill me now, kill me now". Everyone hated this man, there were not very many that didn't want to hang him themselves. Nekata had been in and out of prison all his life and he was only 29 years old.
  The only person that ever came to see him was his father, once a month, feeling it was an obligation.
  
  This was the man that got the Watchtower and Awake and read them. And something clicked. He noticed it could be obtained by subscription, so when his father came to visit him, he asked him for the money to get a subscription to the magazines. The father thought it couldn't hurt him, and gave him the money. Nekata read them regularly.
  
  Eventually, the local congregation received a follow-up notice for the expiring subscriptions. The slip was given to a special pioneer, who went out looking for the address on his bicycle. He didn't know Nekata was in prison. He went right past the prison, and couldn't find the address, so he went to a guard station and asked if they knew where this particular address was. They directed him to go past the bushes, and to the tower down the road. "But that's the prison" the brother says. The guards reply, "No, you don't say! By the way, who are you looking for?" He says a man named Nekata.
  
  They both replied, "NEKATA!II" "Are you sure you want to see HIM?, they ask. This doesn't dismay the brother, and off he goes up to the big gate, and asks to see the warden, and asks him to see Nekata. Even the warden says "What do you want with the man Nekata?" The pioneer explains and is allowed inside. He has to go through heavy steel doors and gates and comes to this very thick door, with a small window about two and a half inches in size with wire mesh, just big enough to see the person on the other side. The brother starts talking to Nekata, and can tell he has been reading the magazines and seems to have a great deal of interest in them, so he offers him a Bible study. Nekata readily accepts it. So the brother begins to have a study with him every week . They have to conduct it with that thick door between them, though. Very soon Nekata begins to change into a different kind of person. He even begins to apologize to people he had previously spit upon and screamed rebukes at. He tells them he is studying the Bible and learning anew way of life, and he asks them for forgiveness and he would tell them a little about the Kingdom. He would try to write to people he could not contact from his cell. He continued to make great progress each day, and this encouraged the brother studying with him, so much so, that he even kept the local congregation informed on Nekata's progress.
  
  How would you feel if you had a study like that and then were sent away? That was just what happened, the special pioneer was sent to another part of Japan on a new assignment. So he went to the Fukuoka missio n ary home, and asked Percy Islop if he would continue the study. Br. Islop was delighted and went right over and resumed the Bible study. Nekata continued to read everything he could get his hands on that would help him learn the Truth, and he was making application of what he was learning.
  
  Finally, Percy went to the warden, and asked if they could study face to face. The warden said that this sort of thing is unheard of, as this man is on death row. But, the warden says, even though it is against all regulations, I'm going to let you study in the recreation center, next to my office. The warden had noticed the changes in this man, and that was why he allowed it, however, they had to have an armed guard go along with them.
  
  The first time they met face to face. Nekata just grabbed and hugged Percy, considering him a real brother, and tears came to both of them. Every week they would study one hour, and during that time Brother Islop would also bring out a point from t he Watchtower, Book Study, Service Meeting, Theocratic Ministry School, and the Public Talk. So that hour was always jam- packed! The guard couldn't believe his ears, he kept hearing Nekata make the heartfelt statements that a Christian would make. The guard became so impressed to see the changes in this man that he began to allow them an extra 15 minutes each week! He began to like Nekata and sometimes he would even allow them a little extra time. Percy began to look upon Nekata as a son, and a close bond developed between them.
  
  What did Nekata do with this new -found information? Well, he would watch the clock in his cell, and every time the hour came when the meeting would start in the local congregation, Nekata would stand at attention in his very best that he could get on death row, and would have his hair all co mbe d back neatly. Then he would begin the meeting with the brothers, and he tried to imagine what songs they might sing, the prayers they might say, and all the different parts of the program. This was his pattern, and it didn't take long to realize that Nekata had dedicated his life to Jehovah. He was also preaching to everyone on every occasion he could. So Brother Islop went to see the warden and asked if he could baptize Nekata. The warden said he didn't see why not, they would just get some water and sprinkle it on his head. Then Br. Islop explained that was not the proper way to be baptized and explained that Nekata would have to be completely covered by the water, and then come up out of the water, symbolizing how he would in effect, die to his old way of life and come out of the water to a new way of life, like Jesus when he was baptized in the Jordan. The warden said that was a bit of a problem, but that they would have to find a way, because he had never seen anyone chan ge s o much as Nekata! So they had the baptism on death row, and they were able to have a number of the brothers come in and witness it. There was this little ceremony and then they baptized him, and when he came up out of the water, he was so happy, he cried for joy. They didn't know if there was more water coming from the eyes of
  Nekata and the-brothers than the water he was baptized in. It was a touching moment, and he hugged all the brothers. NOW he was a baptized Witness!
  
  
  And you might think that was the end. But it wasn't, because Nekata wanted to be much more. Now he was a full-fledged brother and he proceeded to thank Jehovah right there on that occasion. He wanted to do so much more but was limited in prison. So he wrote a poem, about the New Order, Jehovah God, and the Kingdom. He then entered it into a contest, and it won first prize. It was a beautiful poem. The winner was to go to the governor's mansion and accept the award from the governor himself. So they had to make a change in the arrangements- guess who went to death row? The governor! But this only made more publicity for the poem. It was published, and many more received a witness from death row by means of that beautiful poem. Nekata also began to study Braille and mastered it, then he took the Kingdom book and translated every bit of it into Braille. He worked night and day on it. And he made copies of it, which the brothers distributed, and people that were blind were able to learn of the Kingdom from death row. The books even went to Korea by means of a district overseer, and blind people in that land were able to
  learn as well.
  
  Nekata would write letters to the congregation, letters expressing his appreciation for the brotherhood, and he would ask the brothers not to take the Truth for granted. He said if you could see it from my situation, I would even crawl several miles to t he meetings and crawl back if I could. He wrote also that they should never take the meeting for granted, and never miss one unless they had a scriptural reason. He said they would never know how much he wanted to be there with them. Then he would say he wondered what it would be like to preach regularly on the outside, to visit and associate with other families in the Truth. He said do not even take the Truth for granted, and he encouraged them to endure.
  
  One night, they got a call at the missionary home while they were all sitting at the table. It was the warden and he told Brother Islop that Nekata would be put to death the following morning at 9am. He said there was no way they could stop the execution, because the government had set the date. Three witnesses hired by the government, three government officials, and a doctor pronounced him guilty for his crimes, so he had been tried and nothing could change the decision. What a night the missionaries had, tears in their eyes as they prayed for their brother. Nekata's father wasn't even informed until the day after the execution. But the warden had called Brother Islop because he knew of the bond that had developed between them.
  
  The warden had made another concession, and in the morning he arranged for a limousine to pick up Percy Islop, so that he could be with Nekata at death. They drove into the large complex with the guards and way down the field were the gallows. A group of officials were there along with the warden. They brought Percy in, and about20 minutes later they brought Nekata out in chains. The news had spread allover the prison, about the study and about the changes, and they just hated to see this day coming down. Then everyone there saw Percy take Nekata by the hand and Nekata just hugged Percy. Here Percy had come to encourage Nekata, but Percy just broke down and cried, and the tears were flowing.
  
  Nekata said to Percy, "be strong, I'm going to be strong. Per cy. I' m only going to sleep a little while, and then I'll be able to serve my God again. I believe in the resurrection. And I'm ready to pay the debt I owe to Jehovah God and the debt I owe to society for the crimes I have committed." Then he encouraged Br. Islop and told him to be strong.
  
  Then Nekata bowed to the warden in typical Japanese fashion and said, "I want to thank this man, I want to thank the warden of this prison for allowing me to study the Bible in the recreation hall. He will never know what that meant to me." Then he thanked the warden for allowing him to be baptized and for allowing his brothers to be there on that day. And for allowing Br. Islop to be there this day." He made these concessions, and may he see that it has brought me such joy, the Truth of God's word." Then the warden jumped up and held his hand and said, I want to thank you for being such a model prisoner, ever since your contact with Jehovah's Witnesses. We thank you!! And none of us wan t to se e you die, this is the saddest day in our lives. You, Mr. Nekata, are a credit to your God, Jehovah." What a witness that was!
  
  Now it was time for them to go to the gallows, Percy in a car, Nekata in a truck. They go and pull up by the gallows and all the people come down, the officials, etc. The gallows had a rope with a noose on it and a long flight of stairs leading up to it, with ten armed guards along the way. Now the people are becoming emotional and some fainting, but Nekata is unusually calm. He gets off the truck and walks right up those stairs, and Percy is right behind him. Nobody had to push him along.
  Percy has his book-bag, because he is going to share the Bible with Nekata when they get up there. At the top there is a table and two chairs, with some cake and tea on the table. You may wonder what this is all for, it is the typical Last Meal. They sit down and Nekata offers Percy some, but he is so upset, he can't eat or drink. So Nekata has his por tion als o and says "Percy, You will have a lot more time." Percy begins to talk to Nekata, and Nekata starts to talk about the high
  points of the magazines, from the first Watchtower he read down till the
  present time, and how the Truth has put his mind and heart on the way to life.
  
  They talk of a number of highlights and Percy has tears in his eyes. Then Nekata suddenly says "Percy, you know I've never heard a Kingdom Song." Percy says, "You don't want me to sing, do you?" Nekata says "Yes", so Percy gets out his songbook and tries singing, but he's crying all the way through. Soon Nekata says, "That's O.K., I'll hear you in the new order" and lets him off the hook. They talk a little more and Nekata says, ' I've often thought of being free like a little bird to go
  out and preach the good news. But if I had been free Percy, I may never have listened to the truth. And although I'm on my way to death, I'm on my way to life, because I know Jehovah and I wouldn't trade it for the world." He encourages the brotherhood and tells Percy what to tell the brothers. Then they have a prayer and say good-bye with a big bear hug. Percy then has to go down, Nekata takes his slippers off and starts walking right over to the trap door and then he turns around and says, "Percy, what's that verse, the one about the heart?, that is, the one
  they had been talking about. Percy replies that it is about the circumcision of the heart and he says, "You don't have to worry, your heart is circumcised, you can die clean." Nekata says, "I want to remember that when I die. Percy, just a few steps to the noose and I've fought the fine fight, I've run the race to the finish and soon it will all be over for me. My reward is ahead. Percy, you and my brothers are the ones that have the hard fight ahead of you, you're the ones that have to endure, you're the ones that will have to stay faithful, and nottake the truth for granted. And, if you stay faithful I'll see you in a litt le while. Then I'll be resurrected and restored to life, and I'll see you there if you are faithful and my brothers if they are faithful.
  Sayonara!"
  
  Then he walked over to the trap door and they put the noose around his neck, and they dropped the trap door. And he was heard to say "Oh, Jehovah help." The rope came tight, and they pronounced him dead 11 minutes later.
  
  A further development in this story came to light a little while later. One of the government witnesses to the hanging worked in a government office with one of Jehovah's Witnesses and he revealed something to that Witness. Right away the Witness got in touch with Br. Islop and asked him, "Do you know what Nekata said at death?" Percy said yes, he was there. He said "Oh, Jehovah help." The Witness said that his final words were "Oh, Jehovah help Brother Islop!" Who was he thinking about when he drew his last breath? He was praying for Brother Islop, and if he had enough breath left he'd be praying f or the other brothers too! He was a
  Christian. He really appreciated the brotherhood and unity; he loved the brothers. What a fabulous Witness he turned out to be.
  
  The warden told the father the next day about the execution, and the father went to the morgue. He had kept up to a degree on the progress that his son had been making in the Truth. At the morgue he demanded to see the face of his son as accorded by law.
  
  They took him in, along with Br. Islop, and he saw the face of his dead son. He saw the changes Nekata had made and what he stood for and he said he must have had the truth! The father came into the truth and became an elder in a congregation, and Nekata's invalid mother also came in the truth as well as many others. All because of this man and what he did.
  
  The circuit overseer closes these remarks to the congregation by saying that before today you probably never heard of this brother, but Jehovah knew about him. In the new order w e will meet brothers like that, but we have to endure and highly esteem the Truth as something wonderful in our lives and not let the Truth take a back seat to anything.
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  For all Newbies and Lurkers: Great helpful info. found here!!

  by Lady Liberty in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  dear new ones and lurkers,.

  i thought it might be nice to give you this link that is full of extreemly thought provoking and helpful information.

  hope it helps you on your journey for "truth".. http://corior.blogspot.com/ (research on the watchtower).

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  Good Web site, new to me.

  Thanks

  Moo
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  What funny names do people call you?

  by JH in

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  for some reason, which i really don't understand, some call me dork..... .

  oh, and how do you like my colored background.

  i geuss no one knows how i did this..... .

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  Hi dork,

  Workmates started calling me Mooman, something about milking jobs?????????
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  Talk by brother Herd (long)

  by moomanchu in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the stars fall from heaven?

  ~sigh~ and youll fall across the finish line into the new world!

  we dont want that brothers.

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  moomanchu

  In other words, Jehovah God is going to cause some sort of madness, some kind of crazed madness to come over

  theworld powers in the near future, and they will attack Babylon, and they will rip and tear her for all she’s worth. If you paid real close attention, the stage is already being set for that. Already they have no compunction whatsoever about putting the religious clergy in jail now. They have no sanctity or feeling toward the religious clergy, they’recutting and slashing them in the face in New York. They’rebreaking into convents and robbing the nuns, raping the nuns if you will. They’re even breaking into churches and robbing them, they’re robbing preachers on the streets. So the appetite to attack Babylon is already there. Jehovah is going to simply open their mouths wide and they will chew her all to pieces and burn what’s left.

  I don't recall any us government agency cutting and slashing clergy in the face in New York.

  The robbing and raping of nuns and priests could and has be done by rogue governments of other

  countries but this would not be something new in history.

  You never pick up a weight one time – it’s the consistency and constantsy, that’s what puts the

  spiritual bulges in your chest. That’s what gives you the neck, arm, legs, the physique of somebody beautiful.

  Oh!!! what beautiful spiritual bulges you have in your chest sister!!!!!!!!

  I asked the person who sent me this for the audio. I haven't recieved a reply yet if I get it I'll post it.