wt comments you will not hear at the wt study 1/12/03
12/1/02 watchtower page 13. enjoy personal study of gods word.
psalm 77:12. psalm 77 (nlt).
Blondie,
Marvellous work! *applauding* So much better than any WT study I ever attended at the KH!!! You are so good at picking out what is REALLY being taught at the cud chewing sessions. I have been reading your synopses of previous WT study articles and, WOW! do you ever hit it on the money what the FDS is really saying to their drones!!!
Thanks so much for posting!!! I look forward to more.
----Banshee
i just got off the phone with my x-hubby.
his mother is sueing us for visitation of our son!!!!!!!!!
let me explain why we don't let her see him......................................
(((((((((Jesika))))))))))
I had no idea what was going on with you yesterday because I did not see this thread, I am sorry. My heart goes out to you. This is a terrible thing your mother-in-law is doing to you and your son!
My father's mother was very much like this woman...deceitful, manipulative and lying to her own flesh and blood to turn us against on one another. The terrible part of it was that she would cloak her wrong actions in "good intentions" and "trying to do what was best".
I know that you and I do not know each other but know that my thoughts and best wishes go with you during this awful situation you are dealing with. Hugs to you!
---Banshee
i realise this question is off-topic for this forum but i believe this forum moved away from it's original intent long ago, and is now just a social place to talk to others with a similar background.
i've got a friend who has recently begun going to aa meetings.
she tells me that an 'alcoholics' body breaks down alcohol differently from a non-alcoholic and the difference in metabolism is what differentiates between an alcoholic and non-alcoholic.
I am a recovering alcoholic. I will do my best to help answer your questions.
Alcoholism is a threefold disease. There is the physical aspect, the morality aspect and the spiritual aspect. We alcoholics are affected physically, morally and spiritually by our disease.
I have heard that, a few years ago, a study was done at University of Michigan re: mapping human DNA & genomes. There was evidence showing that the cadavers of alcoholics who died of complications of their disease had a genetic difference from the cadavers of people who are not alcoholics. The study linked this genetic difference with how alcoholics metabolize alcohol vs. how people who are not alcoholics metabolize alcohol. I actually saw a copy of the article, a fellow alcoholic in recovery showed it to me...however, I do not have any useful links for this info.
A good place to find out lots more about alcoholism (and perhaps they can help you locate copy of article about the study at U of M) is www.aagrapevine.org Another resource that would likely be of help in learning more about alcoholism is http://www.hazelden.org.
Take care!
---Banshee
could apply to one's relationship with a controlling, abusive organization, too... reckon?.
codependent (ko'di-pen'dent).
adj.. of or relating to a relationship in which one person is psychologically dependent in an unhealthy way on someone who is addicted to a drug or self-destructive behavior, such as chronic gambling.. codependent with you (mp3, 3540 kb).
Thank you, COMF, for posting those song lyrics. Very good description of codependent relationships.
For people who feel that the lyrics to the song Codependent With You are an apt description of a relationship you are currently part of, I strongly recommend the book Codependent No More by Melody Beattie. This book gave me a lot of insight on how to change myself and my relationships with others from unhealthy to healthy. I found it an insightful book and hope that others will also benefit from reading it.
Thanks again, COMF!
-----Banshee
one of the witness sisters who sometimes comes to see me came today.
i remeber telling u all a while ago that abt a month ago an elder and an ms came to my house to do the where are you visit.. well i of course told them i didnt want to discuss it and said a prompt goodbye... well isnt it interesting that it doesnt take long for the so called discreet confidentiality to be broken huh?.
i hear today that a sister told this other sister that an elder came to see me and i told him to get lost..... seems they gossip more than i thought now i was majorly pisssssssssssed off about that.. they r such freakin hypocrites!!!!
So sorry to hear about your bad experience. You are not alone! I am trying to remember when I wasn't being gossipped about. Because I was an attractive, young sister and single, I was singled out for some pretty horrific, malicious gossip by other sisters in the congo (especially middle-aged elders' wives!). What really p***** me off was when these same character shredders would turn around and pretend, to my face, that they were my good buddies.
Bah! I am sooooo glad to be quite far removed from the Borg now. And HUGS to you, nelly!
----Banshee
i just got back from today's circuit assembly.
i haven't been to one in the last 1 and a half yrs.
obviously, nothing has changed.
No more dressing like hoochie mamas then....AAAAWWWW MAN!!
there is this woman i used to correspond with back in my dub days but lost contact with several years ago.
anyway just the other day she sent me an e-mail out of the blue.. she wanted to know if i was "in" or "out" as she was planning a trip to australia and if i was still "in" possibly we could meet (obviously i would have to travel to oz).
she had heard i wasn't going to the meetings any more.. i replied that i was definitely not "in" any longer but that i wasn't da'd or df'd and if she wanted to read my story i provided her a link to my story on this site.
Boy did you ever bring back some painful memories for me! I remember being rejected by many "friends" in the Borg when I chose to leave it. I am so grateful that today I have real friends who will stick by regardless of my religious beliefs or lack thereof.
hi all, thought i'd keep you up to date............you need to look at the first post to get the background, it still on this page....to cut it short i again emailed my dub sister late last night re family business and ended with "hey and did you know the the watchtower have shares in a company that premote warfare technology", not thinking that she would reply till at least monday.......gosh logged on this morning and here is her reply, which i'm sure you appreciate with the family and personal details taken out, after that is my reply, your comments please....and please no thanks to me, the thanks goes to all on this board who continue to fight against what is wrong.
(her first comment is because we had dicussed the blood issue before and yes she's inviting me to the kh!!!!!!!!!.
j gull"we have got a hlc talk at the kingdom hall.
Jonathanseagull,
Good job on getting your sister to start thinking about and researching this stuff for herself. I wish you all the best in your efforts in prodding her to start thinking more outside the JW box. Take care and have faith!
------Banshee
i never thought that they could be this dumb.
i called an elder in the cong.
where my daughter's abuser lives.
CoonDawg,
As your sister and a sexual abuse surivor myself (at the hands of more than one JW), you know I am outraged at how the elders have completely mishandled the situation. Even worse, your daughter's own mother is not acting in the best interests of her child. This is sickening!
I am proud of you for showing your daughter that she does matter and that what happens to her is important to you and that you are ready to go to whatever lengths necessary to protect her and pursue justice for her.
As I said to you before, Bruce and I are in your corner and if there is anything at all that we can do to help, you KNOW we will. Love you, bro.
----Banshee
i approach this thread with some trepidation.
i understand that most of us here have had a bad to terrible experience with an organization that is highly judgmental and vengeful in its approach to its members.
so i post this with the utmost respect toward all who wish to read it.
Marcos,
Thank you for bringing up this topic. I know a lot of folks on here post some very angry and bitter stuff on here; some of it may me judgmental. However, I think this is mainly done out of their feelings of hurt and betrayal and not really because they want to condemn individuals still in the WTS. For so long, these people were harshly judged within the organization by other members and were unable to answer back for fear they would be expelled and lose all contact with family members or friends inside the WTS.
Personally, I have been out of the WTS for quite a while now and have healed from all of the hurt and religious abuse I experienced while part of the WTS. Today, I am a nondenominational Christian and I try very much to apply Jesus' words at Matthew 7:1-5. I even make it a point to pray every day for all in the WTS, asking God to forgive them and heal them and bless them. Interestingly, also, because of my nonjudmental attitude and by trying to live by the command Jesus gave to "love one another" and to "love thy neighbor as thyself", three of my immediate family members who were in the WTS began to ask me questions about why I am so happy, content and at peace in my life? As a result, all three have left the WTS and are beginning their own spiritual quests.
So, yes, it is more beneficial to try to the best of our ability not to judge in the sense of the Greek word krino. As for the other type of "judging", I call that discernment and decision making. I personally don't even use the word "judge" or "judgment" in referring to matters of choice or instinct.
Also, I have seen lots of posters on here who display the same positive attitude on here of simply being desirous of helping others who come out of the WTS.
Thanks again for your post.
--Banshee
