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  In search of Clearlake, Ca.

  by rekless in

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  anybody from there yet?

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  Hi Dan,

  I probably met you back in the 70s. I was the brother who used all the different Bible Translations in my talks. Also used non-Watchtower books to prove a point or two. But that was the 70s during Watchtower Vatican II. Things changed in 1980 and I left in 84.

  I knew the Nazaroffs. Gil was always prominent at all the Circuit Assemblies. Jim gave a talk in our congregation about his travels in Chile. I also knew Joe Souza, we worked together in construction one summer. He was always reading the Watchtower during the lunch break. It seems he was an elder in Healdsburg for a while.
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  In search of Clearlake, Ca.

  by rekless in

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  anybody from there yet?

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  Athanasius

  I never attended the congregation in Clearlake, but in the 1970s and early 1980s I gave several Public Talks in the KH there. Wasn't there also a Clearlake Highlands congregation?
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  I think I made "The List"

  by RR in

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  so jehovah's witnesses came to our door, this is about the fifth time, i always miss them, but they talk to my wife, this time i was home due to the holiday season, the man was an elder, he came with a newbie, thought he would show her "how's its done"), the young women sat there with mouth wide open, as she watched me beat up her elder with his own bible.

  well after discussing the scriptures for about 2 hours, (subjects included: salvation, ransom, permission of evil, god's organization), she looked at me and said "amazing, i've never heard it explained quite that way before.".

  the elder asked me what religious affiliations i had, i told him, "i am with the associated bible students.

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  It doesn't surprise me that the elder used the term anti-Christ. I remember a number of the older JWs would use similar terms for the Bible Students. The most common term they liked to use was "Evil Slave." Some of these long time JWs had lived through the Watchtower's civil war of 1917-1919 and could say only hateful things about their former brothers and sisters the Bible Students.
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  I think I made "The List"

  by RR in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so jehovah's witnesses came to our door, this is about the fifth time, i always miss them, but they talk to my wife, this time i was home due to the holiday season, the man was an elder, he came with a newbie, thought he would show her "how's its done"), the young women sat there with mouth wide open, as she watched me beat up her elder with his own bible.

  well after discussing the scriptures for about 2 hours, (subjects included: salvation, ransom, permission of evil, god's organization), she looked at me and said "amazing, i've never heard it explained quite that way before.".

  the elder asked me what religious affiliations i had, i told him, "i am with the associated bible students.

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  The elder's angry reaction was probably due to the fact the JWs have been losing members to the Bible Student associations since the 1960s. Since the JWs are a break-away from the Bible Students the Witnesses are the real apostates and anti-Christ by their own definition.
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  I think I made "The List"

  by RR in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so jehovah's witnesses came to our door, this is about the fifth time, i always miss them, but they talk to my wife, this time i was home due to the holiday season, the man was an elder, he came with a newbie, thought he would show her "how's its done"), the young women sat there with mouth wide open, as she watched me beat up her elder with his own bible.

  well after discussing the scriptures for about 2 hours, (subjects included: salvation, ransom, permission of evil, god's organization), she looked at me and said "amazing, i've never heard it explained quite that way before.".

  the elder asked me what religious affiliations i had, i told him, "i am with the associated bible students.

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  I always thought that the JWs called the Bible Students "Evil Slave." In fact back in 1983 I purchased several of Russell's books from the Laymen's Home Missionary Movement. Later I told this older sister, who was looking for Russell's books to complete her theocratic library, that Divine Plan of The Ages had been reprinted and that I had an extra copy if she wanted it. She accepted and when I gave the book to her, the first thing she asked was is this published by the "Evil Slave?" I fibbed and told her it was done by a republishing house and that she could compare it with the Watchtower edition that was in the congregation library. She accepted it and thanked me for the book.
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  The SHOW must go on!!!

  by leaving-jws in

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  i remember when i was a kid in "the truth.

  there was an elderly sister that had a heart attack during the meeting.

  she made loud gasping sounds as she was holding on for dear life.

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  About 10 years ago when I was attending Mass, one of the parishioners, who was sitting several of rows in front to me, lost consciousness. Our priest quickly noted the woman's plight and stopped the service. Fortunately one of the parishioners in attendance is a medical doctor and another is a Resistered Nurse and when our priest made them aware of the woman's plight they quickly attended to her needs. Our priest asked everyone else to remain seated, be calm, and to pray for the woman's recovery. An anbulance was summoned and the woman was taken to a hospital were she made a complete recovery. The service only resumed after the ambulance attendants had taken the woman to the hospital. The doctor also accompanied her. However, this is how emergencies are cared for in a church of "Babylon the Great." It seems Jehovah's people do things differently. After all Jehovah's show must go on without interruptions.
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  Sister dies (?) at DC

  by DoomVoyager in

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  no, this is not a joke.

  having actually managed to survive through the entire 3 grueling days of the dc after attending the friday session today (hit sat and sun last weekend) i was initially going to make a criticism of some of the parts & points at the dc.

  however, something that i witnessed today changed my mind.

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  This is a very sad situation. Had it been a "Babylonish religious" convention, the speaker would have stopped and asked for a moment of silence so that all in attendance could pray for the woman's recovery. The JW leadership is so heartless.
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  Judge Rutherford Stenographer

  by RR in

  1. watchtower
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  okay everyone, here is a picture for you, download it and cherish it.. .

  oh, isn't he cute?

  is that peach fuzz on his upper lip?.

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  Athanasius

  Hi VM. Joe was a whiz at shorthand, when he took the court stenographer's exam he passed with flying colors. However, I don't know why he didn't give proper credit to Hooper. Perhaps the Shorthand Institute sounded more prestigious on his resume.
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  Have you found a new bible translation you like?

  by New light for you in

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  i know, it seems like half of everyone that leaves turns athiest.... but for those of us out there, who figure on still being christian, have you found a translation of the bible that you belive lives "up to par"?

  i'm really trying to research, but there's so many, i wondered if you had any input!.

  thanks!.

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  Hi Reneeisorym. The English Standard Version is actually a revision of the 1971 edition of the Revised Standard Version Bible. I agree that it is a good translation. Regarding the similarities between it and the NWT, the RSV New Testament was first published in the 1940s. The complete RSV Bible (New and Old Testaments came out in the mid 1950s. I think that Freddy Franz and his friends on the NWT translating committee used the RSV as a model when they put together the NWT. Of course Freddy doctered the NWT with JW terminology and slanted some of the verses to fit Watchtower doctrine.
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  Have you found a new bible translation you like?

  by New light for you in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i know, it seems like half of everyone that leaves turns athiest.... but for those of us out there, who figure on still being christian, have you found a translation of the bible that you belive lives "up to par"?

  i'm really trying to research, but there's so many, i wondered if you had any input!.

  thanks!.

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  Athanasius

  I like the Revised English Bible.