Posts by fiddler

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The Jonestown Massacre, Remembered

by Londo111 in

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http://time.com/3583781/jonestown-massacre/.

it was 36 years ago today.. the watchtower has caused far more deaths due to the blood transfusion ban and the suicides from disfellowshipping.

unfortunately, these deaths are mostly invisible to the public, since they didnat occur at once and in one location.. .

fiddler

I was just two years married and had an 8 month old baby when Jonestown happened. I sometimes kick myself that I didn't take my thoughts at the time further down the road. I read the defining aspects of a cult and lokked at my husband and said "by that definition WE are in a cult...Christianity itself is a cult going back to following a man, Jesus"

But I didn't follow through to the next steps. I shoved it all into that box in my mind along with other things over the ensuing years until I guess the box became quite overstuffed and exploded. It took another 20 years however for that to happen 😒

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Obscene TOMO turd quote from talk.

by hamsterbait in

on the thread about growth up but babble studies down thread, an audio of tomo turd has been posted.

can somebody put it in this separate thread - it's important.. he says how billions of innocent children and other inoffensive people will not get to enjoy their ice cream, as they are about to be annihilated.

they count less than mere "amuse - bouches".. what reward will all those get who peel off their tight pants and spanx before it is too late?.

fiddler

Yeah, everlasting life...wasn't that the goal of the Pharoahs with their fancy tombs providing all they needed on their journey?

Ponce d'Leone spent his life questing for the fountain of youth (and lots of gold) and where'd that get him or the gullible fools who followed him?

Mormons are all being Mormons so they can have their own planets filled with their families or some such fantacy

and there are and always have been folks that think they can cheat death (Or profit off the gullible ones who follow them) And how selfish! They'll kick their own children to the curb or their aging parents who don't believe just to assure their chance at the 'fountain of youth' or whatever live forever scheme they've imagined. They have no natural affection and seek their own selfish longings....the bible has a few nuggets of wisdom from time to time.

I agree, the comment in that talk was disgusting but also proof that this really is what they belIeve. One MUST be a believer in their god to get everlasting life.

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What if...Barbara Anderson was never disfellowshipped.

by kneehighmiah in

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with all these new lawsuits coming against the watchtower, i wonder what would have happened if the watchtower had revised their policies instead of disfellowshipping whistleblowers.

i wonder if the gb regrets it.

what if they had accepted that child abuse was a real issue and abolished the 2 witness rule?

fiddler

I think the point was that many could have been helped and futher abuse might have been prevented AND the JW's wouldn't BE in this predicament over pedophelia if they had only LISTENED to what Barbara was trying to tell them. Their two witness policy was a disaster waiting to happen and it's happening now. The money drain that may be coming to the JW organization due to pedophile lawsuits may be their final end.

But, on the other side, Barbara and her husband were able to wake up and see much more than just the errors of the JW's; they were able to do research into many other things that they wouldn't have been able to do before and come out with far more knowlege. The same is true for so many of us and we have also lost family due to the df'ing policy. Maybe if the JW religion gets swallowed up in littigation more of our family members will wake up....we can hope.

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Just got back from trick or treating with the kids...

by cognac in

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husband is completely, beside himself livid.

he's going to the elders on me.

i've havent been to a meeting in over a year.

fiddler

So, you haven't been to a meeting in over a year? Ask the elders what part of 'I walked away from this farce of a religion a year ago' don't they understand? do they really believe you are not old enough to make an informed decision? Then proceed to INFORM them: go to JWFacts for a list of places to start.

The elders treat the rank & file witness like they don't have a brain cell in their head. Maybe it's time to bone up on your debating skills and just lamb into them. Nothing will be lost that isn't already (sorry) but maybe you can get some points in.

good luck!

btw, I dressed Steampunk again this year for my students. Walked the dog through the neighborhood later in the evening and saw some great decorations. I think I enjoy the Halloween decorations better than Christmas.

Good for you to let your kids participate in the fun!

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Steven Lett Governing body tells his Grandfather beaten for playing loud Rutherford records....Why??

by Witness 007 in

at the international convention melbourne brother lett of the group 2 faithful slave told an emotional story of his grandfather on a sidewalk in texas playing a rutherford recording loudly till a irratated texan came out of a house, smashed the grammaphone and punched him in the face...if you ever heard rutherford you would know why.

for example religion is a snare and a racket invented by satan....no wonder they were banned..tarred and feathered...killed and put in jail playing the rantings of a maniac.

brother lett was proud of him...i pitty the fool.. .

fiddler

Well, as I told my late JW father, when I was a teenager and discovered the old phonograph and records while visiting grandma, I put a Rutherford recording on and couldn't listen to it. He was wierd and scary sounding. I actually tried a second record but it was the same bombastic voice. On another site someone said his speaches sounded a lot like Hitler...when he really got going, he did kind of. It was the 1930's through '40's....bombastic style in English or German may have been the same...oh well. I didn't like it! Apparently the average person of the 1930's to 1940's also found it offensive...it appealed to whom?

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This weeks service meeting! More craziness.....

by stuckinarut2 in

so this weeks service meeting is so full of "crazy".

a whole 15 min part devoted to trying to indoctrinate everyone on how to "explain our beliefs on 1914".

then another 15 min part called "a tool to help us explain our beliefs about 1914".

fiddler

I remember trying to 'do the math' on the 1914 thing and it seems to me that the date also hung on an interpretation of humankind only being in existence since 4026 BCE, the 6,000 year thing but maybe that was just the one to explain 1975. I'm so confused

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What is the perfect product to sell to a JW?

by usualusername in

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what is the perfect product to sell to a jw?.

cheap?.

exclusive?.

fiddler

Theredeemer....I was going to post about the miracle footbaths but you beat me on that! My JW daughter is doing that along with the ionized alkaline water scam. it's kinda like the 'water of life' preview 😄

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New explanation of Gog of Magog: Two Gogs?

by leaving_quietly in

i just finished watching the recording of the talk at the annual meeting that re-explains gog of magog.

i caught something not previously talked about, that i can recall.. gog of magog is thought to be a coalition of nations that attach god's people during the great tribulation.

this is from ezekiel 38 & 39.. gog and magog in revelation 20 represents those with the same attitude as gog of magog.. thus, the new teaching (maybe not new, but i'll have to research this) is that gog in ezekiel is not the same as gog in revelation 20. two different gogs, happening about a thousand years apart.. .

fiddler

This sounds more like the GB themselves!

just saying......

Satan exalts himself to the position of supremacy like unto that of the Most High, Jehovah. Gog, the chief officer of Satan, takes the place similar to that occupied by Jesus Christ, the Prince or Ruler or King of the great THEOCRATIC GOVERNMENT.

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A question for my friends in the USA about cowboys.

by punkofnice in

as a kid growing up in the uk we used to play 'cowboys and indians' and watch high chaparal and bonanza along with other cowboy films.

later, in the 70's kung fu would be shown with caine going through the 'old west'.

we even had a chocolate bar that was marketed with a 'cowboy' theme...milky bar.. as far as i know the 'wild west' as shown on tvdidn't actually exist.. are there people that believe it did?.

fiddler

When I went to Montana a few years ago with a couple of exJW's I met online to meet up with another exJW I pretty much felt like I was in 'Cowbow land'. There was like a farm with 100's of acres of land with cattle grazing separating it from the next farm.... It was beautiful to see so much open country. Coming from the West Coast Montana seemed like going back to a different era.

Where I grew up, Arizona, old Tucson always had reenactments of the Wyatt Earp OK Corral thing. That did pretty much happen during a pretty violent old West time period. When people began expanding outwards from the East Coast to the West there was not a lot of law and order. It would have been a very hard time to live in I think.

The infringement upon native American tribal territories was filled with guns and blood. I would equate it with England's infringement upon the Welsh and Scots and Irish. Pagan Celts and pagan Indians.......same dif to the powers that were.

Cattle are moved today not by cattle drives but by big cattle trucks (lories)...not so glamorous but then, I don't think cattle drives were particularly glamorous. The Midwest is where the big cattle ranches are. For a funny take on American cattle drives you should listen to Garrison Keilors Prairy Home Companion. It's a radio show (yes! there are a few still in existence!!) On it there is a skit with two 'cowboys' and it's always quite funny to listen to. Maybe if you google Prairy Home Companion, cowboys http://youtu.be/K9c-7WLngIg?list=PLC9DA5CEFECE613B8

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A VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION to those on J.W.NET...

by new hope and happiness in

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what is important to you and why?.

maybe i should begin with a few suggestions:-.

love,.

fiddler

The first most important thing for me was being able to appreciate other people's thoughts and beliefs and actually learning from the diversity of thoughts and beliefs as opposed to thinking I had the only 'truth'.

Music is my life and knowing that it is perfectly acceptable to live breath and eat music instead of being told it is 'just a hobby' to be persued later in the fantasy land 'new system'.

Realizing that each day, each hour and each and ever minute of the day is a gift to be used as best as we can and to live in the moment and not for a fantasy (again....fantasy new system). I appreciate each day I awaken anew!

My children, all grown, are so very important to me and with a new grandchild due in November the family tree enlarges and is even more precious.

Other things like a beautiful sunrise or sunset, a nature hike, a bike ride on a great bike trail, my beloved doggie, taking aforementioned doggie on walks in the neighborhood and appreciating the yards and gardens and holiday decorations of my neighbors and the smiles and greetings of other walkers.

Last but not least, MY STUDENTS! In passing along my love for the violin and hearing both the young students and older ones finding joy in this instrument makes me feel like I am fulfilling my major purpose in life........passing along the gift of music.....and so my second comment ties in with my ending comment. I am also finding a lot of joy playing in a community symphony. It challenges my aging brain and after rehearsals a lot of us meet up at a pub for good drink, food and company! It's all good!