not sure if this was previously posted here... it was sent to me by a regular jw and this person thought it was the best thing ever.... so sad... .
http://mediaphil.free.fr/fun/jw/3dpreach/flvplayer.html.
(since i don't post often here): my current status is that i am "inactive" and happier than ever... i have not been to a meeting in 3+ years..
Not sure if this was previously posted here... it was sent to me by a regular JW and this person thought it was the best thing ever...
So sad...
http://mediaphil.free.fr/Fun/JW/3DPreach/flvplayer.html
P.S. (Since I don't post often here): my current status is that I am "inactive" and happier than ever... I have not been to a meeting in 3+ years.
background
i have been fading away, and considered fully "inactive" for over 2 years now.
my wife is still a very active jw, and she brings my 2 children (5 & 3) to the meetings and service on a regular basis.
Wow! Thanks for all of your comments!
I am not inclined one bit to follow the JW rules and I don't have any issue staying "inactive" all my life.
My #1 priority is to save my kids from being JWs, and to help my wife to use her critical thinking. If I can accomplish this better by DA'ing myself then I will... but it seems clear that the majority here would not DA.
I am afraid of forcing the kids to stay at home instead of going to meetings; in my opinion this will only give more ammos to the JWs and my wife as they will see my action as persecution and do even more efforts to preach to the children. I guess it's what we call a dilemma.
I think that the main points I have gathered so far are:
Thanks again for all your insight... and keep the suggestions coming if you have more!
--indoubt
background
i have been fading away, and considered fully "inactive" for over 2 years now.
my wife is still a very active jw, and she brings my 2 children (5 & 3) to the meetings and service on a regular basis.
BACKGROUND
I have been fading away, and considered fully "inactive" for over 2 years now. My wife is still a very active JW, and she brings my 2 children (5 & 3) to the meetings and service on a regular basis.
I do not want to force the kids to stay home, as I believe this would be as wrong as JWs forcing their kids to come to meetings. Instead, my wife and I have an agreement that she won't preach (i.e. study) with them. Currently the kids like to go to meetings mostly because there are a lot of kids of their age there.
THE ISSUE
I originally did not want to DA myself because I wanted to keep some kind of relationship with my family and friends in the JWs. But I realize that my JW friends, and even some of my own family are gradually shunning/marking me (even though I have not shared my feelings about the Borg to any of them).
At the same time, my children - especially my oldest - are wondering why I don't go to meetings. I simply tell them that I don't like to go because I do not share the same beliefs. My fear is that the kids will see me as an undecided person, when I am really dead set on never being a JW again.
So I thought about this possible scenario: what if I DA myself? I believe 2 good things would come out of this: (1) My children will clearly see my position vis-a-vis the JW religion, and (2) as they will grow older, they will also hopefully notice that something is really wrong with a religion that forbids my parents, sister, in-laws to have a relationship with me just because we do not share the same beliefs.
What do you guys think? Can anyone in the same situation relate their experience and suggestions?
Thanks in advance,
--indoubt
my father talked to an elder yesterday, told him i was reading crisis of conscience, other apostate material and talking apostate with my mother.... the verdict: i am not consider an apostate, according to this elder.. now i'm confused...i thought just being here made me one, but the elder says i need to be talking badly about the society to others jws to be one.
does that even make sense?
anyone has any written references from publications or others that clearly says that there are other motives then trying to convert other jws?
I think it really depends in what congregation you are part of, and what type of elders runs it... I think the P.O.'s attitude often reflects how the other elders will behave with silent dissenters.
Some congregations like the one I am "assigned to" has a young, easy-going P.O. and the other elders seem to follow his steps... which really means that they don't really care what you read or believe in, as long as you don't talk about it to others.
But other congregations are lead by elders who are constantly on the lookout, acting as they were the anti-Apostate Gestapo. If you are reading CoC and are in a congregation like this one, watch out!
--indoubt
some of you might had read that in one of my other post...my father, who is the only jw in the family, came up with the word "excommunicated" when talked about disfellowshipement.
now, nobody here seems to have any idea what this is all about.
he seems pretty certain that it's now the proper word to use.
I just received confirmation from a French elder that "excommunié" is the term they now use instead of "exclu".
--indoubt
today i was driving my daughter to school and we were listening to the hunchback of notre dame soundtrack.
one of the songs (that i have previously heard dozens of times before) struck me... it seems to me that it has lots of similarities with the jws (or any other cult)... .
context: frollo (compare him to the "fidel and discreet slave") is this religious man who has raised quasimodo the hunchback (compare him to a rank and file).
Today I was driving my daughter to school and we were listening to the Hunchback of Notre Dame soundtrack.
One of the songs (that I have previously heard dozens of times before) struck me... it seems to me that it has lots of similarities with the JWs (or any other cult)...
Context: Frollo (compare him to the "Fidel and Discreet Slave") is this religious man who has raised Quasimodo the Hunchback (compare him to a rank and file). He has forced Quasimodo to stay in the Cathedrale of Notre Dame all his life...
Here is the beginning of the lyrics:
Out There
Frollo
The world is cruel
The world is wicked
It's I alone whom you can trust in this whole city
I am your only friend
I who keep you, teach you, feed you, dress you
I who look upon you without fear
How can I protect you, boy, unless you
Always stay in here
Away in here
Remember what I taught you, Quasimodo
You are deformed
Quasimodo
I am deformed
Frollo
And you are ugly
Quasimodo
And I am ugly
Frollo
And these are crimes
For which the world
Shows little pity
You do not comprehend
Quasimodo
You are my one defender
Frollo Out there they'll revile you
As a monster
Quasimodo I am a monster
Frollo Out there they will hate
And scorn and jeer
Quasimodo Only a monster
Frollo Why invite their calumny
And consternation?
Stay in here
Be faithful to me
Quasimodo I'm faithful
Frollo Grateful to me
Quasimodo I'm grateful
Frollo Do as I say
Obey
And stay
In here
Quasimodo I'll stay
In here
Quasimodo Safe behind these windows and these parapets of stone
Gazing at the people down below me
All my life I watch them as I hide up here alone
Hungry for the histories they show me
All my life I memorize their faces
Knowing them as they will never know me
All my life I wonder how it feels to pass a day
Not above them
But part of them
...
-indoubt
i usually don't read wt or awakes, but i stumbled on an article that shows the borg's two-facedness.. the article talks about a group of mennonites that had doubts about their religion and wanted to study with the jws.
after the first paragraph, i realized that i had felt exactly like those poor mennonites when i decided to study the jw's history.
let me explain... i have scanned some parts of the articles: .
I usually don't read WT or Awakes, but I stumbled on an article that shows the borg's two-facedness.
The article talks about a group of Mennonites that had doubts about their religion and wanted to study with the JWs. After the first paragraph, I realized that I had felt exactly like those poor Mennonites when I decided to study the JW's history.
Let me explain... I have scanned some parts of the articles:
ONE morning in November 2000, some missionaries of Jehovah’s Witnesses in Bolivia glanced out the window of their small home and saw a group of plainly dressed men and women standing nervously at the gate. When the missionaries opened the gate, the visitors’ first words were, “We want to find the truth from the Bible.” The visitors were Mennonites. The men wore overalls, the women dark aprons, and they spoke among themselves in a German dialect. There was fear in their eyes. They kept looking to see if they had been followed. Nevertheless, even while climbing the steps to enter the house, one of the young men said, “I want to know the people who use God’s name.”
...so, the Mennonites are scared as hell to be found by their church members talking to JWs... Interesting, because I remember having the exact same feeling when I went to Borders and purchased Crisis Of Conscience.
The story contines, and the Mennonites decide to study with the JWs...
A few days later, the church elders came to the home of Johann’s family with an ultimatum for the interested ones: “We heard that Jehovah’s Witnesses visited you. You must forbid them to return, and unless you hand over their literature to be burned, you face expulsion.” They had had just one Bible study with the Witnesses, so this presented a formidable test.
...weird, but I have a feeling of deja vu...
But the best part is yet to come...
“We cannot do as you ask,” replied one of the family heads. “Those people came to teach us the Bible.” How did the elders react? They expelled them for studying the Bible! This was a cruel blow indeed. The cart belonging to the colony cheese factory passed by the home of one family without collecting their milk, denying them their only source of income. One family head was dismissed from his job. Another was turned away from buying supplies at the colony store, and his ten-year-old daughter was expelled from school. Neighbors surrounded one home to take away the wife of one of the young men, asserting that she could not live with her expelled husband. Despite all of this, the families who studied the Bible did not give up their search for the truth.
...how cruel the Mennonites were! But rest assured, the JWs would never do those cruel things to sincere folks who are simply doubting their faith ...
--indoubt
i am not an it person per se but i do a hellaceous amount of typing and i cannot stand brand new cheaply made keyboards that are now on the market.
i prefer the old ibm clicky clack keyboards.
i take my old ibm keyboard whereever i work since i can type up a storm on it; something i really have a hard time doing with newer keyboards.
I WILL NOT pay $145 for a keyboard!!
I found some used ones for $20-$40 here:
http://www.clickykeyboards.com/
--indoubt
i am not an it person per se but i do a hellaceous amount of typing and i cannot stand brand new cheaply made keyboards that are now on the market.
i prefer the old ibm clicky clack keyboards.
i take my old ibm keyboard whereever i work since i can type up a storm on it; something i really have a hard time doing with newer keyboards.
i am not an it person per se but i do a hellaceous amount of typing and i cannot stand brand new cheaply made keyboards that are now on the market.
i prefer the old ibm clicky clack keyboards.
i take my old ibm keyboard whereever i work since i can type up a storm on it; something i really have a hard time doing with newer keyboards.
