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Lloyd’s new book

by jwfacts in

i see there has already been discussion over lloyd’s new book how to leave the jehovah's witnesses.

this includes discussion around his personality, motives and financial gains.

i have written a foreword for this book, because it is an important topic that has not been covered in such a complete format before.

@Morpheus- Could not the questions that you posed to Paul be asked of you? What are you trying to do, influence him? Why is it so important for you to call Lloyd names and to speak badly of him? I can't understand your seeming desire to get us to dislike him as you do. And using the term "dilly dilly" doesn't negate the rest of your words. Dear baby jesus, you even told Paul what he's unduly influenced by and tried to negate what angle he was coming from.

You two feel different. If it's truly a dilly-dilly situation, why do you continue to go after his views? It looks like you really want him to feel as you do.

Did you say you wrote a book or am I confusing you with OTWO? If you did I'd like a link to check it out.

We need ALL of the voices we can get. I wasn't a fan of the KH crashers myself and railed about them being counter productive and then one of my podcast interviews crashed his own KH and had some good results from it. It's easy to sit back and criticize things we have no real experience with.

I always thought podcasts were easy. Damn, they're so much more work than I thought. I even wasted part of a Saturday waiting to interview a guy that ghosted me after setting an appointment with me. I applaud anyone that can jump in the mix. It's not easy, even if a person were a narcissistic douchebag. I don't like some of the activists out there, but I just keep my mouth shut about them because it does no good to critcize as they are helping people. I might be the one labeled as the douchebag for putting myself above those activists and looking down on them, and maybe they'd be right.

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Power conceded nothing without a demand.

by poopie in

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douglas.

dubstepped

Lmao @sir82. You win!

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How old's the human race?

by Freedom rocks in

hi does anyone know any good articles or videos about how old mankind and the earth are and carbon dating?

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i've just started looking into it but there seems to be a lot of conflicting ideas over accuracy so i'm unsure what to think.

dubstepped

@Venus- Which wonderful part of god's personality drew you in most? His genocidal tendencies? The way he loves to kill animals with impunity? His encouragement of rape? His inability to inspire a coherent and clear letter to his beloved creation? Hey, it's vague enough to let people's emotions read in what they want, so maybe that's good? Ooooh, maybe dashing kids against rocks? That shows his whimsy. Who wouldn't like that?

If evidence to the contrary "stokes your fire" to remain the same, then you're running on emotion so discussing anything with you is pointless.

Also, bowing to this Meyer guy first when god clearly put him in your life to bring you to Him shows a lack of faith. Sackcloth and ashes for you buddy.

By the way, anchors in life keep you stuck in one place, and no growth can take place.

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How old's the human race?

by Freedom rocks in

hi does anyone know any good articles or videos about how old mankind and the earth are and carbon dating?

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i've just started looking into it but there seems to be a lot of conflicting ideas over accuracy so i'm unsure what to think.

dubstepped

Venus, you're talking out of Uranus.

(Come on, somebody had to say it!)

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Lloyd’s new book

by jwfacts in

i see there has already been discussion over lloyd’s new book how to leave the jehovah's witnesses.

this includes discussion around his personality, motives and financial gains.

i have written a foreword for this book, because it is an important topic that has not been covered in such a complete format before.

dubstepped

Humans have a need for consistency so that our simple minds can label things and put them in the good box or the bad box. Nobody is all good or all bad. People also make changes. I was a judgmental douchebag as a JW. Once I saw that flaw I worked to change it, though I'm sure sometimes I can still be a jerk.

Lloyd is complicated just like you or I. I don't even like most of his stuff because he's too long winded even for me (and this may be my shortest post ever, lol) but he is doing good work.

On my podcast "shunned" almost every person I've spoken to so far was helped by his work. I guess I was too even though I found his JW Survey site too abrasive at first.

I can say in the little I've done on my podcast that immersing yourself in this stuff to try to help people it has taken a toll on me even though it gives back too. Again, few things are all good or all bad. But to do what he does Lloyd has to endure a lot if crap and maybe he has the personality to deal with it. Still, we don't help if we pile on.

Thanks Paul for JW facts. It helped me tremendously just two years ago. I'm trying to help by giving back in my own way. I wonder how many people criticizing Lloyd have given back near as much. I may not like everything that everyone does, but they're all doing something and that's more than most. If you don't like it, go do better.

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JW dating sites

by Formerbrother in

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my marriage is ending.

its been over for a long time to tell the truth.. im not completely out of the borg and dont want to be dfed.. i want to keep contact with fam and friends, but im very lonely now.. which are the best jw dating sites which have free options?.

im not going to pay a lot, just want to meet some single sisters or ex sisters.. any help would be much appreciated..

dubstepped

Soon to be single cheap bastard ex cult member seeks fully indoctrinated cult member for use in feeling less lonely.

This is going to be super healthy, lol. This is ten kinds of messed up.

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Jephthah's Daughter

by cantleave in

i have read somewhere that jephthah's daughter did not really go into temple service but was a victim of ritual sacrifice.

the bible says that after weeping over her virginity that the maidens would visit her annually.

how could they visit her if she was killed?.

dubstepped

Why is God so stupid that he can't inspire books to be written that mean what he really means? It requires mental gymnastics to get to anything but the conclusion that Jephthah murdered his daughter. God sure is a poor communicator if he meant anything else while inspiring this writing and subsequent translations.

I remember the horror of reading the account without apologist glasses on for the first time. Wow.

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Lloyd Evans' New Book - Is It Really Necessary?

by pale.emperor in

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so lloyd evans will shortly be releasing his new book how to leave the jehovah's witnesses.

i do enjoy his rebuttals and the stuff he manages to get hold of and leak.

but i'm struggling to understand what he could possibly write to merit a whole book.. all info on how to leave is right here on this forum.

dubstepped

Why do we have to agree with everything someone does lest we judge them as unworthy? Is it remnants of the cult? The person that does the most is the easy target by people that often do nothing. I'm sure he has an ego (like the posters here don't?) but many times that ego pushes them to help more while others feed their ego by pushing another person down. We are all susceptible yet we hold others apart.

Lloyd certainly has screwed up at times. I hope none of us are held to the standard of our worst moments to define us.

In the end, he can't be everyone's cup of tea. I'm sure someone out there hates my podcast. I'm okay with that if many like it and some are genuinely helped.

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Rising allegations

by Freedom rocks in

hi does anyone think that with the rise in abuse cases in the uk and the rest of the world and the w5 video as well as many others exposing the organisation that the society might use the loyalty to the organisation as brainwashing to keep people in?

they might say its all lies and an attack by satan and have to stay loyal and not believe any of it.

i bet quite a few will leave.

dubstepped

Will the sun come up tomorrow. The answer here is obvious. Yes, if pressed they'll do what they always do. Of course, the active JWs will do what they always do and bury their heads in the sand. Most everything now is brushed off with a simple "of course the organization is imperfect excuse". Nothing to see here.

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W5 Investigation

by Christian Gutierrez in

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hey guys!

i just want you guys to know that today is a really great day.

there are so many jehovah's witnesses that saw this documentary and were disgusted by watchtowers policy.

dubstepped

Great job by everyone involved and it was brave to be so open and vulnerable. Sorry that you had to ever be subjected to the abuse or the cult in the first place. We all walk away with so many scars from a religion marked by "love". Best wishes on your lawsuit as well.