boo!
one bad thing did happen this morning... i woke up to find that my personal domain is down.
i'm waiting for a response from my hosting company to let me know what is going on..
this morning men and women in lab coats wearing latex gloves put drops in my eyes and proded them with strange looking machinery emmiting red ang green lights. i walked out of there feeling groogy and seeing things intensified ... in a yellow haze ... and slightly blurry...
then they sent me to work
i was just curious as to the aim of this website?
i thought it was a discussion board for those interested in/ for jehovah's witnesses, but it seems like you're all former jehovah's witnesses?
so is this site just to bash jehovah's witnesses?
this is an update regarding my 17 yo who was dating an unbaptized publisher, carl,18.
when he first began dating her i sat them both down and made sure carl understood that he was visiting the home of a df?d brother who also be considered by the society to be an apostate.
i gave him this direct info not wanting to encroach upon his conscience incase he was maintaining a good one, and incase he was looking to make progress in the jw congregation.
Corvin, You are the man. That was very well played. But personally I think you let teh little sh*t off too easy - handing his ass to him sounded like a good plan even though he didn't push you that far.
Anyway, you played it very well and I respect your reserve in not mopping the floor with his face or having him thrown in the slammer...
I hope I can do the same when it comes time for my daughter to date ... taking the high road and all...
FM
well as you would have guessed from my name, i am a proud witness and i feel obliged to preach to you about the promises that our wonderful creator, jehovah god, has promised each and every one of us, of any race or background.
i know that you already know what he has told us through his word, but i am curious to wonder why you have chosen to jump off the narrow road which leads to everlasting life.
is it because you have had a bad experience in god's organization?
DANG IT! I got here late... So many jokes about the avatar never to be told....
hello folks,.
i decided to start a new topic and introduce myself.
then rattle on about a few things too.. bare with the long intro.... i have already made a couple of posts and before i go on any further i decided to introduce myself to you all.. my name is nick and i live in canada.
Nick,
Welcome. That is a good inroduction - I wish you success with your children...
I saw your response on my other post. Thanks for the link. I am interested in hearing the claim about the NWT written or influenced by spiritism - I've heard this presented in a different way.
FM
well, this week i become a college graduate.
thanks for all those who offered encouragement over the years.
it meant a lot to me.
CONGRADULATIONS.
What an accomplishment. Lots of luck in your job search.
my wife is really starting to transition out of the wts.
this has been a happy time in both of our lives.. while things have peaceful at home - her somewhat abrupt departure appears to have raised eyebrows with her 2 jw syblings.
so much so that they are starting to plant their own seeds of doubt into her head.
Bebu,
I have been looking for a link to a WT article that came out a year or 2 ago, where they changed their long-held stance on pinatas being pagan forms of worship to being religiously-neutral in themselves.
LOL. They should be embarrased to print crap like that... where did you find this?
FM
my wife is really starting to transition out of the wts.
this has been a happy time in both of our lives.. while things have peaceful at home - her somewhat abrupt departure appears to have raised eyebrows with her 2 jw syblings.
so much so that they are starting to plant their own seeds of doubt into her head.
Thanks all for your feedback so far.
--Chevy - I agree that debating with them can be pointless, but there is another agenda... my wife loves her sisters dearly and feels she should start planting seeds of doubt now. I have a head start on her in the way of research - but at the same time I admit I just don't like someone trying to influence my family with false doctrines.
--Joy Z - actually I've already bought CoC. I'm trying to read through it now, but am finding it difficult to find the time. So far I'm still in that initial stage of shock at the inner workings of the GB and how their whimsical decisions can affect millions. Most of all I can see how the influence has a heavy hand in my sisters in law life choices (not having children being one of them). Too bad it's difficult to use this directly in debates against JW's ...
--AP
shooting any whistleblowers
I haven't heard about this? Can this be corroborated?
--Jgnat
My experience is that a JW will quickly back away from a determined debater.
I surely hope so .. thanks for the tips...
On another note... I read in a yahoo posting that the WTS change passages in bound volumes of their own previous publications to hide contradictions and changes of views b/c they found new light. If this is true this could prove difficult in using the WTS's own words against them... does anyone know of a comprehensive listing that shows the original print vs. the change...
FM
my wife is really starting to transition out of the wts.
this has been a happy time in both of our lives.. while things have peaceful at home - her somewhat abrupt departure appears to have raised eyebrows with her 2 jw syblings.
so much so that they are starting to plant their own seeds of doubt into her head.
My wife is really starting to transition out of the WTS. This has been a happy time in both of our lives.
While things have peaceful at home - her somewhat abrupt departure appears to have raised eyebrows with her 2 JW syblings. SO much so that they are starting to plant their own seeds of doubt into her head.
Recently we had a birthday party for my daughter. A couple days later her sister began questioning her about what she felt would happen to her if Armegedon were to come today [I believe the mentioning of the b-day cake spurred this concern for her soul ...er I mean eternal existince in paradise].
My wife's response went something like - the bible does not say you can not have a birthday party for your daughter... so it began. We were shown an article about the origins of birthdays from the following website http://www.abcog.org/birthday.htm -- I thought they discouraged surfing the web.
While the article raises some interesting points about the pagan origins of birthday's in certain cultures - I so not see the answer to the question of where in the bible it says you can't have a kid's birthday party. This is a typical straw man argument as far as reasoning goes...
UNTIL NOW I LEFT HER JW FAMILY MEMBERS ALONE - ALL I WANT IN RETURN IS THE SAME TREATMENT. Will they ever quit bothering her?
Instead now they want feed her their doctrinal trite to try to drag her back into the borg. I am also concerned they will try to get to my daughter as the years pass.
So I'm getting kind of upset but have no choice but to start a debate with them. Frankly I'm nervous about this as I'll admit they are much more well read and armed with references from their magazines [albeit out of context and in my eyes lacking in credibilty] and know much more about the bible than I.
So as I re vamp my research online and in print I'd like very much to hear your favorite quotes, passages and articles WTS and apostate alike so I can fight fire with fire.
I've pretty much seen the main sites, like: silentlambs, freeminds, quotes, apologetics index, AFF, ewatchman, towertotruth, Blondee's weekly study here at JWD and many others along with the Regi tech and UN scandals...
I've gotten many great strategy ideas from these sites and members of this forum so now I'm in information gathering mode...
So specifically speaking any awake and other WTS articles/publications I can use that anyone here recomends and any other websites I may not be aware would be greatly appreciated in my debates....
ron rhodes quotes paul g. weathers: .
since christ came as man, and since one of the proper duties of man is to worship, pray to, and adore [god], it was perfectly proper for jesus to call the father "my god" and to address him in prayer.
positionally speaking as a man, as a jew, and as our high priest ("made like his brothers in every way," heb.
Herk, could you illustrate your point more clearly?
