Posts by Andee

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My father just beat my brother-

by ashitaka in

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one more topic.. my wife just called up to tell me that she was over my parents before a doctor's visit, chatting with my mother, when my crazed jw father threw my small 14 year old brother down the stairs and punched him for not wanting to study.. i've been beat, thrown down stairs, had potted plants thrown at me, chased around the house, and such, for not wanting to do the family study.. this is what the "truth" does to people, all you loyal jw's....take note...... (i'm so angry i'm shaking).

ashi.

p.s-my father said he was leaving my mother--oh god, pretty please, you motherf**ker.

Andee

Ashi,

You know your father far better than anyone here.

What are your thoughts?

Andee

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Another Christmas confession.

by Mulan in

last week, i told about how i watched the christmas eve sky, for santa claus, after my parents became witnesses, thinking he just didn't come to our house anymore.. here is another thing i did.

all through school (my parents became dubs before i went to kindergarten) i participated in decorating the room for christmas.

i sang all the carols, and ate the goodies that were brought my the moms.

Andee

This thread has touched me so much. I'm not sure why, perhaps because I can relate to the stories.

My parents were pretty much inactive when I was a kid. However, my very devout JW grandmother lived with us, so birthdays and holidays out of the question. My Father still believed in the doctrines, he just didn't go to meetings. My Mom, well, she always disliked the WTS. After the political DF'ing(he was reinstated 5 years later) of my Dad, her dislike turned to disgust and bitterness.

As for the holidays. I remember in 4th grade our school putting on a Christmas concert. My class sang "Deck The Halls". My DAD even came to watch me. Go figure! My childhood was always such a contradiction! No birthday parties (I always ate the birthday cupcakes if some kid's Mom brought them for our class), but come and watch me sing in a Christmas show. Still, we didn't not celebrate Xmas until many years later. And even then, NO TREE. My Dad just couldn't cross that line. So, as a teenager, we would have presents wrapped in Xmas paper put in the corner of the living-room. How did he rationalize it? He used to say that there was nothing wrong with exchanging gifts, we just happen to do it the same day that everyone else celebrates Xmas! It makes me chuckle now that I think about it.
My Dad and his insane logic!

When I was 18 and my sister was 14, we decided we wanted a tree! We went to my Dad and asked him if it was okay. He thought about it for a few days and reluctantly gave us approval (after much begging) for a small tree. So, with my own money, I bought this tiny little "charlie brown" tree. Then, I had to buy ornaments. We didn't have anything. No stand, no lights. That little tree cost me a fortune. However, we did have a tree.

The next year, my parents had separated and were in the process of a divorce. That year, my Mom, my sister, and I went all out. Big tree, baking xmas cookies, and many wonderful decorations.

I guess all I can say is....I'm so glad I'm not a JW!

Andee

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10 reasons it's Better in Canada than the US

by Satanus in

not nessesarily in order.

i know i'll get stoned with frozen spit balls for this, but..... .

10. we got back bacon.. 9. pamela anderson.. 8. we got french women.. 7. don't have to play global cop.. 6. don't have to worry about pesky mexicans coming through our back door.. 5. bill clinton doesn't live here.. 4. we got more room.. 3. we got real medicare.. 2. we got more water.. 1. the beer is better.

Andee

I live in an area that is heavily populated with Canadian snowbirds during the winter.

When I was employed, I dealt with them on a daily basis during the fall and winter months. One of my responsibilities was to exchange $Canadian into $US. The mood of my Canadian customers would fluctuate with the exchange rates. If the rates were up, then they were happy and engaging. If the rates were down, I dealt with scowling faces and bad moods.

Another thing observed. Those Canadians love their whiskey and bourbon! In about February and March, when they started heading back home, they buy the stuff by the case(s) to take back with them. Is alcohol heavily taxed in Canada?

I won't even get into the class A motorhomes hauling a car, with either Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba, or British Columbia license plates driving 35MPH in a 55MPH zone. Of course, they stay all they way to the left so no one can get by! I'll bet you all send them here, doncha?

Their biggest complaint? Our US money is all the same color.

Andee
Who thinks that any country that produced John Candy has got to be OK!

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Who has UNconditional love?

by patio34 in

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i have seen the term 'unconditional love' used often in reference to jws.

now, i understand the import: they love someone only on the condition that someone remains a jw "in good standing.

however, the term 'unconditional love' is proferred in a positive light.

Andee

Hey Joel,

I didn't think you diminished anything . It was your opinion.
I tend to be very pragmatic. I meant "poor guy" and "false love" tongue and cheek. Terms like "true love, "conditional love" always jump off the computer screen at me .

If someone think they have those things, I wish them well. I won't debate about whether or not someone has it. I'm not about to try and make a judgement about people I don't know. I am offering an opinion about a topic. So, perhaps, like in another thread I just read about the word "evil", we need to come to an agreement about what unconditional love is.

I am of the opinion that "unconditional" love means just that. NO conditions, period. NONE. Nada. The person love could do ANYTHING and the "unconditional lover" would not stop loving that person. That means NEVER stop loving them.

Andee

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Who has UNconditional love?

by patio34 in

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friends

i have seen the term 'unconditional love' used often in reference to jws.

now, i understand the import: they love someone only on the condition that someone remains a jw "in good standing.

however, the term 'unconditional love' is proferred in a positive light.

Andee

Hi Pat,

I have expressed my opinion on this topic many times in this forum. That opinion being that "UNconditional love" is a myth. That does not mean that we humans are not capable of loving an individual very deeply. Loving someone inspite of their flaws is not unconditional love. The Brothers and Sisters of the WTS have many conditions. Mainly, one MUST be a witness. There really is no consideration for who and what the person is on the inside.

I agree with you. There is a line. Murder or stealing. Harming a child. I think that most of us have our limits. Generally, though we could pick someone that we think would not do those things.

I think the love that a parent can have for a child is the closest to unconditional love. Especially a Mothers.

True love? not sure what that means either. Either it's love or it's not. Under Joel's definition, I have falsely loved my husband all these years. Poor guy. So, True love is a myth also, IMO.

Someone posted link a few weeks back that had an excellent essay about unconditional love. I've tried to find it, no luck.

Anyway, I know I will be in the minority on this topic, as usual

Andee

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What do you think of IT ? (Ginger)

by Simon in

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friends

have you seen the ginger / it scooter thingy?.

i think it looks pretty cool!.

the site is: http://www.segway.com/.

Andee

Oh great!!

I can see it now......

We do an hour on the treadmill and then rush to work on our ITs.

Heaven forbid we would have to walk!

Andee

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Please read this...

by MrMoe in

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celebrate your past.

it is the foundation for your dreams and goals in the future.

flexibility and adaptability are key.

Andee

Hey Moe,

Take care of yourself!

Best Wishes,
Andee

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Friends we are too unbalanced.

by sleepy in

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friends

well sometimes we are.. look we have the knowledge and experience to help a lot of people.must of us have one time been jw's and understand how many think.so lets not put them off by being too negative.. when we were witnesses most of us were quite happy .

we tried to be good people , to put into practise principles that many people think are good.

we did this sometimes even when we didn't want to , because we thought god would hold us accountable and because we cared for people .

Andee

So, how DOES one separate the Organization from it's members?

I don't think one can. There would be NO WTS without it's followers.
The people ARE the Org. It's always been my opinion that if the Rank and File demanded to celebrate Xmas, and when the GB resisted,
and members started to leave in droves, there would be a very sudden "new light" on the practice.

Argue all you want about brainwashing, etc. Witnesses ought to be held to the same standard of decency as everyone else. They have choices too.

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