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  New DF/DA Policy?

  by new light in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  would someone who has the new od book explain any changes in "keeping the congregation clean"?

  is it still the same policy or have they actually changed anything?

  i'd especially like to know if they are changing their tune on the "inactive".

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  toreador

  How can they take away a persons baptism? Isnt this in effect what they are doing when they think they can judge you are no longer a JW? I dont get it. Isnt this admitting to all that you are simply baptized into an organization and has nothing to do with baptism in the name of the father son and holy spirit?
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  Is the society shooting themselves in the foot with the new DF policy?

  by truth_about_the_truth in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  let's face it, it seems like a simplification of the df process as many of you have already mentioned.. within the 6 million or so jw worldwide, there has to be a good number of ppl that are on the fringes of being dfed.

  in the past, it took time to technically df these ppl because of the no-shows at judicial hearings and appeals.

  also dfing a person can be delayed when no actual proof can be provided of the sin committed.

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  toreador

  How can they take away a persons baptism? Isnt this in effect what they are doing when they think they can judge you are no longer a JW? I dont get it. Isnt this admitting to all that you are simply baptized into an organization and has nothing to do with baptism in the name of the father son and holy spirit?
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  Is the society shooting themselves in the foot with the new DF policy?

  by truth_about_the_truth in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  let's face it, it seems like a simplification of the df process as many of you have already mentioned.. within the 6 million or so jw worldwide, there has to be a good number of ppl that are on the fringes of being dfed.

  in the past, it took time to technically df these ppl because of the no-shows at judicial hearings and appeals.

  also dfing a person can be delayed when no actual proof can be provided of the sin committed.

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  toreador

  I disagree with minimus in that there is no new policy on DFing. There clearly is a reason why the DF policy was specifically mentioned during the announcement of the book. Something has definitely changed. I guess time will tell exactly how it has changed but it does appear that it is easier to DF someone than in the past.

  Was the new policy mentioned in all congs at the announcement of the book? Did they mention they were to be treated the same as a dfed person when the new anouncement was read at the release of the new OM book?
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  "Organized to do Jehovah's Will" - anybody get the book yet?

  by ithinkisee in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i'm heading out in a moment to the meeting.

  just wondering if anyone had a chance to actually flip through the pages yet?

  funny how the wt study for today is basically a "never question jehovah or his organization" and we get a new organization book.

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  toreador

  Thank you IP Sec for clarifying that. Does anyone have the page number , or is the page number 154 and 155) . I want to be able to show some relatives the scoop. Does anyone have an actual scan of the pages in question?

  Thanks,

  Tor

  I thought the new scoop on Dfing in the new book was that they now just say they are NO longer a jw instead. someone please clarify. Have they in fact changed it?

  Its a non change except for the actual announcement.

  OD 154-155

  "[Name of Person] is no longer one of Jehovah's witnesses. This will alert faithful members of the congregation to stop associating with the person"

  Its an addtion to the dub lexicon, No longer a witness= DF'd or DA'd. The book makes it plain that this status does not apply to inactive ppl.
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  The new OM Book.

  by The Thinker in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  on sunday they released the new version of the om book.

  ( i'm not sure if they still call it the om book) but i got myself 3 copies.

  i might sell one of them.

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  toreador

  I thought the new scoop on Dfing in the new book was that they now just say they are NO longer a jw instead. someone please clarify. Have they in fact changed it?
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  "Organized to do Jehovah's Will" - anybody get the book yet?

  by ithinkisee in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i'm heading out in a moment to the meeting.

  just wondering if anyone had a chance to actually flip through the pages yet?

  funny how the wt study for today is basically a "never question jehovah or his organization" and we get a new organization book.

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  toreador

  I thought the new scoop on Dfing was that they now just say they are NO longer a jw instead. someone please clarify.
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  Disfellowshipping in absentia policy from "Organized to do Jehovah's Will"

  by truthseeker in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this is the new disfellowshipping policy from the "organized to do jehovah's will" book.

  this book is now the replacement for the old "organized to accomplish our ministry" book, released in 1983. .

  chapter 14: maintaining the peace and cleaness of the congregation .

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  toreador

  I thought the new scoop on Dfing was that they now just say they are NO longer a jw instead. someone please clarify.
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  christian words or expressions you will never hear a jdub say

  by in a new york bethel minute in

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  gospel, grace, born again, the lord, saints, virgin mary... any more?.

  bethel

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  Whats wrong with Jdub say "virgin mary"?
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  Jesus die about 30 CE

  by peacefulpete in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  there is a geat amount of confusion among early christian trdaition as to when jesus died, some have said about 130 different opinions were held.

  the nt doesn't help pin it down as the dating in luke doesn't work.

  anyway the tradition that eventually won out was that jesus was baptised about 29/30 and killed 1-3 years later.. on another site someone speculated that it was jewish tradition that indirectly helped establish this timeline.

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  Why is there such a problem figuring out when Jesus was born if he was the savior of the world? Wouldn't you think that date would be set in stone?
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  Neo-Babylonian Chronology and the Egibi Business House

  by VM44 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i am somewhat shocked right now, although i know i probably should not be, i will explain in this post later.. .

  all this information is contained in carl olof jonsson's excellent book, the gentile times reconsidered, 4th edition, pages 122-125.. .

  it turns out that throughout the neo-babylonian time frame, a business firm named the sons of egibi conducted business, and left some three or four thousand record tables contained in earthen jars covered with bitumen.. .

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  toreador

  One of these days Scholar you are finally going to wake up and you is not a gonna be a happy camper. Anymore than the rest of us were.