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  Memorial Date this year, why so far out ?

  by Phizzy in

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  we have debated for many a long year on jwn about the "proper" date for the passover/memorial and my conclusion is that jw's get it all wrong for a number of reasons, but as the gospels are contradictory, nobody can say for sure.. most years they are close to the time by a day or so, signalled by the full moon occurring about then.. i believe this year they have chosen saturday april 11th.. this is a full week, near enough, away from the full moon.. what has gone on with their calculation ?.

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  OrphanCrow

  Maybe the WTS still uses the 'Calendar of Jehovah' to figure out the memorial date.

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/124676/calendar-jehovah-god?page=1&size=20
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  BART EHRMAN answers my question

  by TerryWalstrom in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  as a member on bart ehrman's blog, i am able to ask him direct questions.is jehovah in the bible?.

  question:.

  how firmly grounded in reality is the claim of jehovahs witnesses that the divine name (jehovah) belongs in the new testament?.

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  OrphanCrow

  Finkelstein: Did Rutherford use the KJV of the bible when he took over the WTS ?

  A bit more about the history of the Bibles used by BibleStudents/JWs over the years:

  (from http://pastorrussell.blogspot.ca/2008/08/new-world-translation.html)

  In 1884... At first Bibles were purchased from other Bible societies for redistribution .... The King James Version of 1611 in English was used as their basic version for Bible study.
  
  From the time that the magazine The Watchtower began to be published in 1879, the publications of the Watch Tower Society have quoted, cited, and referred to scores of different Bible translations.
  
  In 1896 .....printing rights were obtained from the British Bible translator Joseph B. Rotherham to publish in the United States the revised twelfth edition of his New Testament. On the title page of these printed copies, there appeared the name of the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society, Allegheny, Pennsylvania, the Society’s headquarters being located there at the time. In 1901 arrangements were made for a special printing of the Holman Linear Bible, containing marginal explanatory notes from the Society’s publications of 1895 to 1901. The Bible text itself presented the King James Version and the Revised Version of the Hebrew and Greek Scriptures. The entire edition of 5,000 copies had been distributed by the year 1903.
  
  The Emphatic Diaglott. In 1902 the Watch Tower Society came to be the copyright owners, sole publishers, and distributors of The Emphatic Diaglott. This version of the Christian Greek Scriptures was prepared by the English-born Bible translator Benjamin Wilson, of Geneva, Illinois. It was completed in 1864. It used the Greek text of J. J. Griesbach, with a literal interlinear English translation and Wilson’s own version to the right using his special signs of emphasis.
  
  A Bible Students Edition. In 1907 the Watch Tower Society published a “Bible Students Edition” of the Bible. This volume contained a clear printing of the King James Version of the Bible and included excellent marginal notes, together with a valuable appendix designed by Jehovah’s Witnesses....
  
  For 30 years the Watch Tower Society engaged outside firms to do the actual printing of its Bibles. However, in December 1926, The Emphatic Diaglott became the first Bible version to be printed on the Society’s own presses at Brooklyn, New York. The printing of this edition of the Christian Greek Scriptures stimulated the hope that a complete Bible would someday be printed on the Society’s presses.

  The King James Version. World War II underlined the need for independent publication of the Bible itself. While the global conflict was at its height, the Society succeeded in purchasing plates of the complete King James Version of the Bible. It was on September 18, 1942, at the New World Theocratic Assembly of Jehovah’s Witnesses, with key assembly point at Cleveland, Ohio, that the Society’s president spoke on the subject “Presenting ‘the Sword of the Spirit.’” As the climax to this address, he released this first complete Bible printed in the Watch Tower Society’s Brooklyn factory....
  
  The American Standard Version. Another important Bible translation is the American Standard Version of 1901. It has the most commendable feature of rendering God’s name as “Jehovah” nearly 7,000 times in the Hebrew Scriptures. After long negotiations, the Watch Tower Society was able to purchase, in 1944, the use of the plates of the complete American Standard Version of the Bible for printing on its own presses. On August 10, 1944, at Buffalo, New York, the key city of 17 simultaneous assemblies of Jehovah’s Witnesses linked together by private telephone lines, the Society’s president delighted his large audience by releasing the Watch Tower edition of the American Standard Version. The appendix includes a most helpful expanded “Concordance of Bible Words, Names, and Expressions.” A pocket edition of the same Bible was published in 1958.

  
  The Bible in Living English. In 1972 the Watch Tower Society produced The Bible in Living English, by the late Steven T. Byington. It consistently renders the divine name as “Jehovah.”
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  IDENTITY and Fairies; The Salem Witch Trials and JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES

  by TerryWalstrom in

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  2. beliefs

  two ball bearings manufactured at the same time, in the same factory, by rigorous engineering standards, and produced to serve the same function inside a particular machine.. question: are they identical?.

  answer: no.

  there is one on your left and there is one on your right.. these do not occupy the same space.. you can remove one and the other will not follow.. _________________.

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  Terry:
  They are easily defined by what they DO NOT do.
  They do NOT celebrate holidays.
  They do NOT believe in hell.
  They do NOT believe in immortality of the soul.
  They do NOT believe in the Trinity.
  They do NOT teach the way of the cross.
  They do NOT salute the flag, sing the anthem, vote or do community service.
  The list of "Do Not's' is endless.
  In this, there is a unity of negative energy.

  Yes. Good description, Terry.

  The rules to belong to the group are heavily weighted on the "Do Nots".

  They are an inclusive club - everybody can join. All nations, all tongues, all colors, all ages, but...once you join, you MUST behave as one.

  And that 'unity' is achieved by restricting movement - once inside the group, their hands are tied and their Achilles tendon is severed. One big herd of people, not able to walk or feed themselves. Totally disabled and totally dependent upon a leadership that starves them.
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  Similarities between JW leadership and totalitarian org.

  by Bugbear in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  similarities between, jw:ism, stalinism, putinism, and mullahism, popeism and maoism..

  all these leaders has been elected by un elite group controlling big values in form of real estate, bank account, enthusiastic voluntary working task forces, almost willingly to die for their leaders.

  the workers (slave class), is never ever supposed to question the leaders decisions.

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  Bugbear - About Foucault. His metaphor of the panopticon power structure is one of my favorite ways to conceptualize political power relationships and positioning.

  Your list is comprehensive. Something that might add to your exploration are the similarities concerning the use of 'rules' and the consequences for breaking the rules.

  Within each politco-cultural group that you mention, the more totalitarian the regime, the more 'micro-managed' it becomes. Stringent and numerous rules, sometimes ones that make little sense, are put in place - like a net around the power base - and the consequences for those who get caught in the net, become more dire as the control tightens.

  *to add - the rules act as the cell walls in the panopticon - the rules serve to divide and keep the 'inmates' under control

  Good luck with your Phd - I wouldn't mind getting one of those before I die, too. :) I could then change my name to Dr. Crow. Lol!
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  JW.org is sponsoring now??????

  by wannaexit in

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  2. friends

  please pay close attention at the beginning 0.36-0.47 when sponsors are seen.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8yaxdra8f9q#t=47.

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  Magnum: What??? I'd love to know more about this.

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/139760001/jw-org-advertising-on-game-app-review-program
  
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  Danish crime series begins with apparent shunning of a young mother, returning home after two decades

  by FatFreek 2005 in

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  2. entertainment

  i began watching a well-reviewed crime series -- dicte -- in streaming netflix last night.

  although it is compelling, the audio was in danish and was close-captioned into english.

  i didn't complete the first episode because watching cc is too laborious for me.

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  Fatfreek, I watched the whole series Dicte not too long ago. It is well worth watching. Season 2 gets into the blood transfusion issue. .

  I like sub-titled shows - I can read faster than the actors speak and it leaves me time to look at the sets and pay attention to the camera cuts. :)
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  BART EHRMAN answers my question

  by TerryWalstrom in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  as a member on bart ehrman's blog, i am able to ask him direct questions.is jehovah in the bible?.

  question:.

  how firmly grounded in reality is the claim of jehovahs witnesses that the divine name (jehovah) belongs in the new testament?.

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  no Jehovah in the dead sea scrolls either.

  Sir82: Actually, I'm pretty sure it is in there.

  Ummm...no. If you read Ehrman's response to Terry question, you would realize that 'Jehovah' does not appear at all in the original Hebrew text. 'Jehovah' is a made up word.

  The tetragrammaton appears in the dead Sea scrolls, but not the word 'Jehovah'.
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  Are the USA and Russia the key actors in end time prophecy?

  by scotoma in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  what's the problem with prophecy?prophecy primarily requires a pattern recognition or insightful strategy not an analytical strategy.

  prophecy rarely gives names whether of empires or their rulers.

  even the name of the messiah - yeshua -wasn't foretold.

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  scotoma: You can brush this off as mere opinion. But if you don’t believe in the Bible you aren’t going to find a more educated opinion of the world’s situation.

  Lol!

  Can you define "more educated"?

  I don't "believe in" the bible. I can think of many far more 'educated' opinions than what the bible has to offer.

  Have you ever read Jean Baudrillard's writings?
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  New Mascot - Translator Robot

  by Slave4_38y in

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  2. humour

  this is the latest offering from the caleb/sophia duo - lesson 16, preach in a foreign language.

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  OrphanCrow

  hard to pin down caleb and sophia's race

  They are not Chinese. Or Japanese. Or Korean. Or Vietnamese. Unless, of course, they are mixed-Asian.

  Caleb and Sophia are presented as mixed race - mid-tone brown.
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  BART EHRMAN answers my question

  by TerryWalstrom in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  as a member on bart ehrman's blog, i am able to ask him direct questions.is jehovah in the bible?.

  question:.

  how firmly grounded in reality is the claim of jehovahs witnesses that the divine name (jehovah) belongs in the new testament?.

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  OrphanCrow

  Did Rutherford use the KJV of the bible when he took over the WTS ?

  Yes. I believe that the KJV was used right up until the NWT was published in the 1960s. My dad's old JW bible is a KJV.

  davidmitchell: You will find the actual word occurs four times:

  Okay. Thanks. :)