IDENTITY and Fairies; The Salem Witch Trials and JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES

by TerryWalstrom 6 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • TerryWalstrom

    ________________________What do we have here?___________________________

    Two ball bearings manufactured at the same time, in the same factory, by rigorous engineering standards, and produced to serve the same function inside a particular machine.


    ANSWER: No


    There is one on your left and there is one on your right.

    These do not occupy the same space.

    You can remove one and the other will not follow.


    These ball bearings match identical specifications, true--but the practical test of identity is indeed separateness. The very fact I must refer to them and you must think of them as quantities identify the rational distinction our minds demand!


    RATIONAL MIND and the problem of IDENTITY

    To exist is to be something somewhere rather than nothing nowhere.

    The way the human mind addresses the nature of IDENTITY is to break it up into separate characteristics.

    Who, What, When, Where, How, and Why are the usual conceptual categories.

    _____________IMAGINATIVE MIND and the problem of IDENTITY_______________

    To "exist" is different from exist (without quotation marks).

    To "exist" comes about by your mind assigning characteristics--not to an actual thing--but to your own created mental mock-up.

    Example: Playwright James M. Barrie, imagined the character of Peter Pan. He wrote the play which was performed (made real or realized) on stage by real actors.

    As a result, other people all over the world can think of Peter Pan too. Children can assign the mental value of "existence" to that imagined character.

    ________________Are there two kinds of EXISTENCE?_______________

    The slippery slope of BELIEF is the result of our mind being able to perform a task NOT UNLIKE that of those 2 ball bearings. These 2 tasks are practically identical without, in fact, being identical.

    We can use our 5 senses to identify (we smell it, we see it, we hear it, we taste it, we touch it.)

    OR. . .

    We can use our imagination to assign a mental mock-up (internal creation of our thought) and then BELIEVE it into "existence."

    An amazing thing is our mind / brain.

    __________________WHAT IS PHANTOM LIMB SYNDROME?_______________

    A phantom limb is a complex phenomenon involving a sensation that an amputated or a missing limb is still attached to the body.

    The real limb was removed, but your mind acts upon your body to report its PRESENCE.

    The limb that isn't there can 'itch" or ache. Is this evidence of a ghost limb?

    No, it is a false report by your own mind giving you false evidence which you then BELIEVE.


    Do we have 2 sets of SENSES? No. When our mind hallucinates, although it is our only source of information about our self and surroundings, we are fooled.

    Garbage in = garbage out

    False reporting equals false conclusions.

    ____________________SUBJECTIVE vs. OBJECTIVE___________________

    "The infamous Salem witch trials began during the spring of 1692, after a group of young girls in Salem Village, Massachusetts, claimed to be possessed by the devil and accused several local women of witchcraft. As a wave of hysteria spread throughout colonial Massachusetts, a special court convened in Salem to hear the cases; the first convicted witch, Bridget Bishop, was hanged that June. Eighteen others followed Bishop to Salem’s Gallows Hill, while some 150 more men, women and children were accused over the next several months."

    a study published in Science magazine in 1976 cited the fungus ergot (found in rye, wheat and other cereals), which toxicologists say can cause symptoms such as delusions, vomiting and muscle spasms.


    Above are 2 examples of what happens when we rely on our mind to reliably report reality and the information is corrupt.

    Subjective thoughts, feelings and beliefs are acted upon as though reliable evidence had been experienced matching reality.

    What does OBJECTIVE mean if SUBJECTIVE is simply what goes on inside our head?

    OBJECTS can be seen by everybody, measured by the same standards, and no special set of beliefs are necessary to induce their report of the existence and nature of the objects.

    _____________________The Cottingly Fairies_______________

    Is seeing believing?

    ______________PROOF of existence?

    The famous Cottingley fairies were “photographed” by two girls Elsie Wright, 15, and her cousin Frances Griffiths, 10, in the last days of the First World War. The case got its international acclaim through Arthur Conan Doyle, the author of Sherlock Holmes, who was fascinated by the account and published an article in the Strand Magazine in December 1920. Doyle was completely convinced the photographs were actual evidence of the existence of fairies!

    With the world’s attention focused on them, the girls had little option but to stick to their story. A juvenile prank had grown into a mass media circus.


    JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES have minds and brains and beliefs which are no more or less intelligent

    than any other group of believers on planet Earth.

    They come from all walks of life with varied educational backgrounds. .

    Each JW is not unlike one of 7 or 8 million ball bearings.

    These millions are all alike and their unity of purpose is determined by the Watchtower Corporation which--like the manufacturer of ball bearings--exactly specifies the purpose which these teeming millions will serve.

    QUESTION: Are all JW's identical or "identical"?


    Religiously speaking, by self-identifying with JEHOVAH (Jehovah's Witnesses) rather than JESUS, JW'S cannot be said to use personal, individual and separate consciousness manifesting Christianity in the historical sense.

    By renouncing "personal" conversion experience; by not espousing a "born again" confession, and by not engaging in acts of conscience other than REQUIRED manifestations of loyalty to creed, JW's are "identical."

    The CULT mind feeds corrupt information to cult members and they all react AS THOUGH theirs is actual reality, rather than imaginative mock-ups of non-verifiable fact.

    Do Jehovah's Witnesses actual exist as human individuals?

    The jury is out on that one!

    Where is the separateness? How--without debate, or internal dialogue--can those 7or 8 million people be disambiguated?

    QUESTION: If the Watchtower suddenly declared Blood Transfusions were a matter of conscience, wouldn't every member immediately believe the exact opposite of what was "True" the moment before without further research, speculation or investigation of a personal nature?

    ANWER: Yes! To act otherwise would indicate separateness which is disloyalty which creates disunity which cause that person to suddenly EXIST as an individual. This would end his "existence" by being disfellowship.



    All the above is an exercise to distinguish what it means to be a real human being from being an identical cult member without separateness of thought, tastes, personal opinions.

    Historically (from the examples of the Salem Witch Trials and the Cottingly Fairies) we discovered how mass belief in defiance of reality leads to disastrous NON-RATIONAL behavior and even murder.

    JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES may well be nothing more and nothing less than mere 'things' just like utilitarian ball bearings inasmuch as they are denied distinction as thinking, rational creatures.

  • Finkelstein

    After reading that good write up explaining how the WTS. carefully removes people's rational and critical thinking skills, I'm reminded of Stephan Lett's recent talk on the organizational value of oneness in mind, how beneficial it is for all and everyone to think the same and react to situations as one.

    They design each and every person to look the same, think the same and say the same and to curtail the information to support the WTS exclusively., which is to establish an image around the organization and allure more people to it, so they too can be shaped to be sales representatives for the Watchtower Corporation.

  • John Aquila
    John Aquila

    QUESTION: Are all JW's identical or "identical"?

  • Finkelstein

    The fairly tail that WTS produces is one where people are taken out of an evil old worldly system run by Satan the Devil that is going to be destroyed soon and reform these people into shiny new righteous people.

    They are quite arrogant and proud of how the WTS redesigned them to appease god so that can be approved for survival from this impending destruction. It this imposed ideology that people are willing to let the WTS design themselves to the strict regulations made by the leaders of this organization.

  • TerryWalstrom

    Objectively, JW's are without concrete purpose. Oh, they act like messengers delivering important warnings, but the reality behind the warning is illusory.

    So, what exactly are JW's about, or as the English say, 'what are they IN AID OF'?

    Nothing at all but agreeing with the latest phase of the moon.

    They are do-nothings.

    They are easily defined by what they DO NOT do.

    They do NOT celebrate holidays.

    They do NOT believe in hell.

    They do NOT believe in immortality of the soul.

    They do NOT believe in the Trinity.

    They do NOT teach the way of the cross.

    They do NOT salute the flag, sing the anthem, vote or do community service.

    The list of "Do Not's' is endless.

    In this, there is a unity of negative energy.

    JW'S are passengers on a crazy bus where the driver (GB) calls out the destination now and then, but keeps changing the route sign and the terminus.

    These JW passengers try to convince outsiders along the route to ride with them. But, nobody arrives at the place promised. It keeps changing.

    Some of the JW passengers have been on this journey for most of their life. Some begin to suspect there IS NO DESTINATION, only death in the seat.

    Some JW passengers ring the bell and get off, to the jeers and acrimony of the rest.

    What sort of trip is a trip to nowhere if not a Cuckoo's nest crazy bus ride with patients from a sanitarium?

  • OrphanCrow
    They are easily defined by what they DO NOT do.
    They do NOT celebrate holidays.
    They do NOT believe in hell.
    They do NOT believe in immortality of the soul.
    They do NOT believe in the Trinity.
    They do NOT teach the way of the cross.
    They do NOT salute the flag, sing the anthem, vote or do community service.
    The list of "Do Not's' is endless.
    In this, there is a unity of negative energy.

    Yes. Good description, Terry.

    The rules to belong to the group are heavily weighted on the "Do Nots".

    They are an inclusive club - everybody can join. All nations, all tongues, all colors, all ages, but...once you join, you MUST behave as one.

    And that 'unity' is achieved by restricting movement - once inside the group, their hands are tied and their Achilles tendon is severed. One big herd of people, not able to walk or feed themselves. Totally disabled and totally dependent upon a leadership that starves them.

  • TerryWalstrom
    I guess we could say, "JW's lose their bearing and become bearings" :)

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