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  Royal Commission live Today

  by LostinJapan in

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  tuesday 4 _ .

  case study 29 .

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  Holy ....wow.

  "We won't budge".

  And there you have it.
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  Baker misses opertunity re no part of this world

  by Diogenesister in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  why did disfellowshipped ex elder baker not explain why the elders have not informed themselves about the royal commission ?

  mr stewart gave him the opertunity to explain the "no part of this world" doctrine, he merely expressed surprise that they had not informed themselves as if it were a personal foible of those particular elders.

  it would have been a great opertunity to express disgust at the distain and uncaring attitude the society exhibits toward its worldly neighbours, i also believe him to be out of date re superior authority doctrine ..giving creedence to the lie the jw's are good and productive members of society.

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  Mephis: And those men are not strangers like Monty Baker, but people who've known her since childhood.

  Who didn't even flinch when being told, supposedly, for the first time right there on the stand, that BCG had attempted suicide.

  "Nope, Don't recall."
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  Another Elder has developed amnesia.

  by umbertoecho in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  the elder just being questioned is yet another sly manufacturer of deceit and the use of theocratic warfare.. how can these men say the can't remember when it's their own letters, their own implemented policies.

  hell, it's their own books and magazines the commission is using, along with internal letters etc.

  another dry mouth there........as he sat up all alone and experienced first hand the faith building experience of ....speaking with a thick tongue as all his juices dried up.........

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  Can you just imagine the kind of coaching and preparation they got? The Bible principles and scriptures they were to follow would have been made very clear to them. The WTS "rules". Reinforced with appropriate Bible verses, would have been integral in their preparation. They would have taken the time out to study those directions carefully.

  Careful Bible study - it is all they know how to do. The Scriptures as directed to them to study. That is how they prepared. Exactly the way they have been trained. "Read these scriptures, brothers...and repeat after me...I swear to tell the truth you (oops...Jehovah) want me to..."
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  Confidentiality. Confidentiality. Confidentiality. RC Hearing Day 5

  by passwordprotected in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  confidentiality.

  how many times does ron de rooy state the importance of jehovah's witnesses being confidential?.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qucn5azi5gk&index=17&list=plpq6kz-aghvqbadlzmqn26dvmpzddxlui.

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  SecretSlaveClass: LOL! Typical WBTS rhetoric. All you need is the GB in life, nothing else is relevant and is a waste of your Earthly Time.
  "Young sister as you can see this scripture clearly says Jehovah cares about you and all injustices will be righted. You feel better now don't you? YOU DO DON'T YOU? Excellent! Now if youll excuse me Ive got a talk to prepare for."

  DeRooy even speaks clearly about this.

  At one point (was it right after the lunch break? BCG's lawyer questions him) he talks about visitng BCG and how he "comforted' her. He said something to the effect that "reinforcing what they already know will help them heal." In other words, "study your WT literature". The only tool that they have is "what the WT says" or "what the rules say". Pretty sad.
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  Another Elder has developed amnesia.

  by umbertoecho in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  the elder just being questioned is yet another sly manufacturer of deceit and the use of theocratic warfare.. how can these men say the can't remember when it's their own letters, their own implemented policies.

  hell, it's their own books and magazines the commission is using, along with internal letters etc.

  another dry mouth there........as he sat up all alone and experienced first hand the faith building experience of ....speaking with a thick tongue as all his juices dried up.........

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  Monty Baker's lawyer had questioned DeRooy about if he had not read the statements because they would be viewed as apostate material.

  That was a critical question - the elders have been coached heavily - probably heavily indoctrinated with Bible verses that tell them not to betray their brothers, and not to listen to those who speak out against Jehovah. it is all those stupid Bible indoctrination scriptures that are getting in the way of the testimony. The ones on how to view apostates and such, keeping the congregation clean, etc.

  They "don't recall" when it might be construed as "turning in your brother" and they don't read the statements because they have been counselled "not to listen to those who lie about Jehovah's organization".

  The JWs have been coached as to which bible principles to follow when testifying. And to follow the bible law. They have no concept of "truth". They may not have read the statements, but it is pretty obvious that they have been told what is in them and how to respond to key parts of the victims testimony. And which bible verses to keep in mind.

  Maybe that is what the hand signals from the WT lawyers mean - maybe they signal certain bible principle to follow, key bible verses that apply to that part of the testimony.
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  Contacted by Royal Commission today

  by umbertoecho in

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  2. scandals

  firstly, thank you to anyone who is in support of this rc.

  no one has shown anything but great interest and empathy for those who were abused.. i don't know who this simonsays character is though and i find him to be very rude and ignorant.

  it takes all kinds to make the world go round i suppose.. today i was contacted by a staff member of the royal commission.

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  umber: What I really want you people to know is that the Royal Commission may be over in terms of the live streaming, but it will not be over for a long time. Months to be exact. I didn't know this and find it a valuable piece of information.

  Wow. It sounds like the battle of Armageddon is underway!

  Draw your swords and mount your horses, all you people...the final battle is here... Lol!

  Get some rest, Umber. Watch a movie or read a good book. Paint a picture. And breathe deeply.

  
  

  
  

  
  
  
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  Australian RC - Hot topic

  by punkofnice in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i have listened to segments of the hearing.. i am really impressed with the way the rc are well informed about jw procedure and the 'flock book'.. does anyone know how the rc got so clued up?

  are they just that good at what they do?

  (not saying they're not).. have 'mentally diseased apostates(tm)' been of use to the rc?.

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  Punkie, when you think about it, it is pretty ridiculous.

  The elders have one little skinny book, a fistful of letters from the WTS, a bunch of grade three level WT literature/magazines...and a big book called a bibble.

  Have you ever been inside of a law library? Wow...woww. Or even inside a lawyer's office - with rows and rows of law books all lined up and even lying all over the place. Those lawyers appearing for the Commission have a mountain of knowledge behind them that they can access and that they have studied. Those poor pathetic elders have a skinny little book, and a bibble. And a hot line to "the branch".

  This is not a fair fight at all. The JWs came to the court armed with a silver sword and a pocketknife. That sword is a toothpick compared to the Commission's weaponry. Even those WT lawyers are sadly incompetent.

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  Australian RC - Hot topic

  by punkofnice in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i have listened to segments of the hearing.. i am really impressed with the way the rc are well informed about jw procedure and the 'flock book'.. does anyone know how the rc got so clued up?

  are they just that good at what they do?

  (not saying they're not).. have 'mentally diseased apostates(tm)' been of use to the rc?.

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  punkofnice: Does anyone know how the RC got so clued up? Are they just that good at what they do? (Not saying they're not).

  Probably some of both.

  However, I would weigh in heavily on "that good at what they do". What is showing is the fine minds of those who are real lawyers. This is what "law" is all about - not the fumbling around in the dark saying "da Bibble says so".

  The WTS rule books are what are hanging them - good lawyers look for inconsistencies and the WTS is full of inconsistenices. Just think how convoluted their doctrines are and how we can pick them apart. A lawyer can do the same thing to their "legal" procedures.

  These guys are good. Really good. They have also had lots of input from those victims who have come forward - but they certainly have done their homework. They will have read every single word of the survivors' statements and have meticulously went over each word in the WTS documents. "Expert" lawyers are ones who do solid and excellent research. Microscopic examination of everything pertaining to Jehovah's Witness law. Of course they can hand these guys their asses - the only thing the JWs know is "Jehovah's Law". These lawyers know way more than that. They are worldly lawyers!

  These Commission people are goood.

  Who's yr daddy now? Lol!

  Stuart gets spot on week WT-spots on almost every topic.

  Exactly. That is exactly what happens when you put WT logic up against a solid legal mind. When you dissect the WTS from a purely outside view, the inconsistences are glaring and the weak spots are obvious.

  Of course, the apostate voice is strong. However, it would be rather simple to have a legal team do some on-line research. Hell, all they would have had to do was visit some of the forums and groups online. Research the apostates and what they say. We are pretty vocal. That would be the easiest and most efficient way to gather his information on insider politics.
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  Confidentiality. Confidentiality. Confidentiality. RC Hearing Day 5

  by passwordprotected in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  confidentiality.

  how many times does ron de rooy state the importance of jehovah's witnesses being confidential?.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qucn5azi5gk&index=17&list=plpq6kz-aghvqbadlzmqn26dvmpzddxlui.

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  But, but....how many times did they meet and discuss all those "disgusting" things that the abuser did - they knew he had sex with his daughter. They say they believed her.

  And they talked about it to the branch...and "other congregations". They are trying to appear proactive in their "supervision" of him and denying him reinstatement. But all it shows is that they broke confidentiality many times over. There is no confidentiality in the process they took. On one hand, BCG was conselled to not even speak about the abuse to her husband - but, then, when DeRooy went to "comfort" her, he emphasized that BCG's husband was in the room.

  So weird....such strange and convoluted thinking. Their understanding about confidentiality is keeping it "confidential" from "the world". They think that their secrecy laws are the same as confidentality laws. They are so confused.
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  [Day 5 - 3/8]The Royal Commissions investigation of child sexual abuse within Jehovah’s Witnesses. + VIDEO

  by C0ntr013r in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  so, i am back at it.

  i give you day 5 of the royal commissions proceedings:.

  part 1 has been uploaded and part 2,3 and 4 will soon be available.. part 1:.

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  username: I think the watchtower lawyer is signalling quite a lot when I'm looking at him. Now I know he is the watchtower lawyer I'm going to go through all the other videos again to see if he is directing all the elders.

  There was a lot of signaling by the WT lawyers going on during this last session. All of the lawyers at the back table are WT lawyers. The one that I first noticed doing hand signals was the old guy at the left of the screen - all you can really see of him most times is his slack mouth hanging open. But, last night, he became quite animated...holding his hand up to his mouth and fidgeting with his tie.

  The hand movements are what caught my eye first - and then man in the middle made those so obvious sign language movements - it was unmistakable - and acted guilty when Stewart turned around - almost caught with his hand in the cookie jar!

  Are they supposed to be signaling? Can they coach during testimony? What is going on? Are they signaling someone else who is watching?

  And...what do those signals mean?