Posts by kairos

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The mathematical probability of spontaneous order (no designer/creator)

by Fernando in

there seem to be many prerequisites for life as we know it.. to name a few: order, function, compatibility, availability, sustainability, intelligence, consciousness, intuition and so on.. focusing on only one, namely order.. what are the chances of order arising spontaneously, by chance, with no creator/designer?.

i have often pondered this and recently came across a mathematical summary of the big picture:.

if every particle in the known physical universe (10^80 particles), participated in one trillion interactions (10^12 interactions) per second, for the entire 30 billion years of the universe's existence (10^18 seconds), then we would by now have covered only 10^110 permutations.. if you had only 100 components in a container, what are the chances that a blindfolded person could lay them out in order on a table?.

kairos

I thought the answer was in the book:

LIFE- How did it get here?
By evolution or creation?

Pg. 44 pp18:

The proteins needed for life have very complex molecules. What is the chance of even a simple protein molecule forming at random in an organic soup? Evolutionists acknowledge it to be only one in 10¹¹³ (1 followed by 113 zeros). But any event that has one chance in just 10^50 is dismissed by mathematicians as never happening. An idea of the odds, or probability, involved is seen in the fact that the number 10¹¹³ is larger than the estimated total number of all the atoms in the universe

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Supernatural Tony......the 3rd

by snare&racket in

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friends

i realised something today.... we all happily accepted something really ridiculous.....something that if worded how i will word it now, we would have rejected as ridiculous, but after a moments thought, would have to concede.. we once followed the governing body because we believed they had supernatural powers.

how ridiculous you may say, no we didn't!

of or relating to things that cannot be explained according to natural laws.

kairos

Thanks for the topic.

Getting people to think is step one.

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Help! I'm drowning!

by vinman in

my wife and sons don't know how far i have gone in withdrawing from the organization in my heart.

i've been faking family worship.

i got angry and almost showed it while watching the march tv.org.

kairos

I can't see attending the meetings for any reason.

I tried. After a few times of literally walking out in tears during the concluding prayer, I called it quits for good.

Go at your pace. Seems to be different for everyone.

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Watchtower: You Made us Apostates!!

by kairos in

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friends

if you are willing to pay attention to the org's history and do any kind of unbiased personal research, it's impossible to miss ttatt.. watchtower's publication archive provides all the information anyone would ever need.where are all of the "half truths and outright lies" actually coming from?

( old light ).

why, oh why, back in 1989 when i first got hooked did i not do any research into the watchtower corporation?.

kairos

If you are willing to pay attention to the org's history and do any kind of unbiased personal research, it's impossible to miss TTATT.

Watchtower's publication archive provides all the information anyone would ever need.
Where are all of the "half truths and outright lies" actually coming from? ( old light )

Why, oh why, back in 1989 when I first got hooked did I not do any research into the Watchtower corporation?

If you aren't sure what to do, ask yourself:
Why would Jehovah give information to HIS chosen people that would need constant changes, refinements and radical modifications, if he only dispenses truth?

When we clearly see that the WTBTS has been making changes after failed prophecies for it's entire history, we'll then notice it's the Watchtower that made us apostates.

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Suggested new Song titles?

by stuckinarut2 in

with the org creating so many new songs, we should give them assistance in coming up with better ideas....!.

"everyone will die, except for us".

(happy, upbeat song about dead bodies after the big a).

kairos

"Survive Armageddon or Harm you Gettin' "

"There's a place for all in Jehovah's donation box"

"Let's not be like Sparlock"

"Welcome one Another ( to hell )"

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Oh Damn...I have been sprung!

by stuckinarut2 in

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friends

i knew it could happen one day...yet i was so careful..... sitting at the sound cabinet, i had our awesome forum open on my tablet, and didn't see the microphone brother looking over at me...... he wandered over and asked me "whats that site?".

i quickly responded "oh, i googled to get to our jw.org site, and this must have popped up" while quickly closing it.... he didn't look too fussed, but my heart was beating..... he is pretty chilled out and certainly not an "uber-dub"...but this was a wake up call to be more careful...i am fading fast, but don't want anymore attention from the nazi-elders while doing so!.

be careful all!

kairos

Playing the wrong song and claiming the brother called out the wrong song in a loud voice as you announce the "right song" is always a real crowd pleaser...

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My 10 year old son almost Outed me as when someone showed him a Watchtower! "The Generation that won't die"

by PokerPlayerPhil in

i had a photo copy of the magazine "the generation that will never die!

" sitting in my office, he saw it and being the voracious reader he is, he asked me "why did the magazine say all those people would never die?

" i told him "humans make mistakes, they were wrong by claiming that.

kairos

I like this story.

We should all have copies of that magazine at the ready to show any nosy JW that decides to poke around...

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Shutting down the Judicial Committee "invite".

by kairos in

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friends

judicial committee invitation comes, with be there or be square consequences.. ( come or we will df you ).

what are the sure fire, tested and true tactics that will keep the elders off your back?

( for good ).

kairos

Would it be AWESOME to send your lawyer to the JC in your place recording as he serves each elder on the JC by name, papers to cease and desist?

Wow...

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Shutting down the Judicial Committee "invite".

by kairos in

jw
friends

judicial committee invitation comes, with be there or be square consequences.. ( come or we will df you ).

what are the sure fire, tested and true tactics that will keep the elders off your back?

( for good ).

kairos

This comments are wonderful.

It must be stressful to try and fight of men that once stated they loved and cared you when they are actively, in their minds, trying to assure your everlasting destruction and removal from further communication with family and friends.

Did any of you catch the recent Cedars video regarding the DFing policy ( or lack thereof ) from the 1947 Awake?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D338nMWOQWI

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Oh Damn...I have been sprung!

by stuckinarut2 in

jw
friends

i knew it could happen one day...yet i was so careful..... sitting at the sound cabinet, i had our awesome forum open on my tablet, and didn't see the microphone brother looking over at me...... he wandered over and asked me "whats that site?".

i quickly responded "oh, i googled to get to our jw.org site, and this must have popped up" while quickly closing it.... he didn't look too fussed, but my heart was beating..... he is pretty chilled out and certainly not an "uber-dub"...but this was a wake up call to be more careful...i am fading fast, but don't want anymore attention from the nazi-elders while doing so!.

be careful all!

kairos

Yep, I think it's time to quit the meetings...

You'll never feel better!