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  Facing My Mortality And Becoming A Donor

  by pale.emperor in

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  this thread is quite morbid so i apologize in advance.. a few days ago i was having a conversation with my girlfriend in which she mentioned in passing that she's signed up to donate her organs after her death.

  i was quite surprised because she mentioned it like it was no big deal.

  i asked her which organs.

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  I wouldn't wish my organs on my worst enemy. They're all crappy! Well, maybe my spleen is ok, I've never had any complaints from my spleen.
  
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  Is the Bible truly inspired?

  by MrRoboto in

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  so i was reading the book of daniel, starting with chapter 4 (nebuchadnezzar's famous tree chopping/banding dream where the 7 times is introduced) but i noticed that when you don't cherry pick verses and just read straight thru - it really seems like some children's book that was poorly written.

  even though the borg says that this book as written by daniel, chapter 4 is clearly written by "king nebuchad·nezzar to all the peoples, nations, and language groups dwelling in all the earth" after the tree chopping business.

  ) of the rest of the chapters seem to be written in 3rd person (odd, if you are writing about your experiences).

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  I don't think the bible is inspired by god. If it was then why would it have two stories, Jael and Sisera and Judith and Holofernes, which are so similar but which both can't be true?

  Of course the story of Judith and Holofernes is found in the Apocrypha, but the only reason it's there and not in the bible is because some Roman dudes decided to cut it out, probably for the reasons I mentioned above.

  My point is that they could have decided to ditch Jael and keep Judith (Was it the council of Nicea that decided? I can't remember, too tired) and the Inspired Word of God (tm) would have been different because of a human decision.
  
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  It's been a GREAT week for me!

  by dubstepped in

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  so as some of you know i have a podcast called this jw life.

  i put my story out there in 9 parts, and i've had lots of great experiences so far and met lots of nice people and i've made new internet friends, even some in person.

  this last seven days though has been soooooo cool!.

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  Wow! You are an actual, bona fide, hero! I'd take my hat off to you, if I owned a hat!
  
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  No other religion is as guilty as JW religion—you know why?

  by venus in

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  2. beliefs

  all other religions have myths that show satan as inferior to god almighty.

  but only jw religion portrays satan more powerful than god through their teaching of “issue of sovereignty” which implies god almighty needs validation from satan as though he waits till satan is satisfied which has not happened even after killing of jesus 2000 years ago and things like ethnic cleansing, spilling of oceans of blood ….

  etc..

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  You're making this far more complex than it needs to be. It doesn't matter if Satan exists or not. You have two people and one proposition.

  The proposition is that Person A has sovereignty over everything. Person B disputes the proposition.

  The proposition can be either True or False and is purely dependent on the sovereignty value of Person A. Person A can have any other characteristics you can think of. They can be omniscient, omnipresent, or weak, and clueless, all that matters is whether they are sovereign.

  Person B doesn't need any characteristics at all, except the ability to ask the question.

  So while the JW's are guilty of a great many heinous errors, they are not making Satan out to be mightier than god.
  
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  Scientology opens up H.Q. in UK

  by The Fall Guy in

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  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-41697303.

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  Scientology has a LOT of money. What they don't have a lot of is: Truth.
  
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  No other religion is as guilty as JW religion—you know why?

  by venus in

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  2. beliefs

  all other religions have myths that show satan as inferior to god almighty.

  but only jw religion portrays satan more powerful than god through their teaching of “issue of sovereignty” which implies god almighty needs validation from satan as though he waits till satan is satisfied which has not happened even after killing of jesus 2000 years ago and things like ethnic cleansing, spilling of oceans of blood ….

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  I don't see how the sovereignty issue makes Satan more powerful than Yahweh. It's the outcome of the issue that both parties are waiting on. Neither party is forcing the other party to wait.

  In other news Dumbledore is stronger than Voldemort. Discuss!
  
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  Why I lost my religion

  by Sour Grapes in

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  2. experiences

  i was a jw for over 50 years and recently just stopped cold turkey going to the meetings.

  years of sitting at the meetings with the boredom, the gloom and doom, repetition of doctrine, the gloom and doom, the fake love, the gloom and doom, the end being so close, do more - do more, just got to be too much for me to stomach.

  i stopped praying to god and no longer thank god for the food before i eat.

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  @Phoebe Just because I don't believe in God, doesn't mean that I don't understand your position. There are many qualifications in the various religious books I've looked at for understanding the mysteries of the divine and revealing gods will. You need to be humble before god, listen with understanding etc. etc. Nowhere does it say that you have to be an old, white man.

  So you're as equally qualified as anyone else on this planet to discover the truth, to discover god.

  Big Hugs!
  
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  “There’s nothing out there in the world for you...”

  by Jules Saturn in

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  how would you guys react if or when you were told this phrase by a jw while having a conversation?

  another phrase is “this world...” or “this system, like gum will chew you up and when it’s done with you, spit you right back out.”.

  one i’ve been personally told was from a convert that had told me “whenever i speak to young ones that want to know if the grass is greener on the other side, i tell them i was a part of it.

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  Laughter, just laughter, honest, from the gut laughter. Possibly even a bit of slapping of the thigh and a wiping of a tear from the eye.

  That's how I'd respond.
  
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  Do you believe in god?

  by freakyAL in

  1. watchtower
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  i used to be a staunch believer in god.

  maybe its technology and science advancing so much thats got me doubting idk.

  do you believe in god?

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  I'm atheist. I went through a period of saying I was spiritual rather than religious, then I said I was agnostic, then agnostic atheist before finally settling into atheism.

  I can't say I'm an Agnostic atheist because although I don't know, my current belief is that there is no god. After all, I'm not an agnostic unicornist, I just don't believe in the existence of unicorns. Show me evidence for either and I'll change my beliefs.

  Similarly I realised that what I was calling spirituality was actually entirely within the natural world. My reverence for nature or that feeling of awe looking up at the stars was a result of the amazing capacity of my human brain and not because of something "more" than reality.

  I have to say though that if, incredibly, the god of the bible did suddenly manifest themselves unmistakably, I would become a theist through not having any other choice, but I would not become a worshipper. The horrific things that god has done, the malicious, cruel, but above all, stupid decision to hand out their instruction manual to a tiny group of people in the form of a book! And then leave it in the hands of countless scribes and translators so that almost any interpretation can be taken from it.

  That alone would make me rather die than submit to being ruled by such an inept overlord. But when you take into account the cold cruelty of what would then be revealed as their creation: The orcas playing catch with a live baby seal, the Ichneumon wasps laying their eggs inside living caterpillars which are then eaten from the inside while still alive, the mallard ducks gang raping females to death and, of course, the worm that eats children's eyeballs. If a god manifested themselves and took credit for creating that deliberately then I say shame. shame on you, now kill me and be done.
  
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  is armageddon starting ?

  by stan livedeath in

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  the sky is so dark here in the south of the uk.

  could be armageddon starting.. or then it could be dust particles in the atmosphere..

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  There were a couple of people in the office this morning saying "It's the end of the world!". Admittedly it was tongue in cheek... but I think it does say something about human nature that the first response to any change in the environment is that it means the end of the world!