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  Would you like to live for ever on earth?

  by fulano in

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  i was discussing this topic with two friends of mine, ex jws, a few nights ago.

  i think it would be boring after a while.

  you can't smoke, have to drink with moderation (difficult in europe with all the wines).

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  Yep! I'd even want to live on the earth forever as it is right now. That's why it's such a powerfully persuasive carrot. The earth is awesome!

  But then, my interest is in Entomology. Reckon I could spend 1,000 years on the UK insects alone. Then by the time I'd worked my way through every country in the world... I'd have forgotten the one I began with and could start again!

  After a few million years of that new species entirely would have evolved as well... it's a never ending process!

  Mind you, I wouldn't enjoy the coronal expansion of the sun in 500 million years time that will engulf the earth and kill everything. By that time, though, I hope that the ants would have evolved intelligence and I could help them build a space ark to transport all their insect cousins to a new planet.
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  need clarification: i told my wife the type and anti-type abolishment made the FDS a parable and not factual. boy did this piss her off

  by goingthruthemotions in

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  let's just say i sometimes don't know how to keep my trap shut.

  i really need to learn to keep well enough alone when she attacks me.

  keep in mind i never start the fights about the borg.

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  FusionTheism 8 hours ago

  Think about it this way too:

  If she were attacking your parents or your children or something else you deeply loved: favorite book, favorite actor, favorite super hero, and just completely tearing it apart...

  Would you be happy with her?

  That's how it FEELS to her when you attack the Society and their teachings.

  Of course it's highly unlikely that his favourite super hero protects child molesters.
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  Kingdom Hall Mortgage repayments letter

  by Onager in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  hi,.

  can someone post a link to the letter to elders about cancelling the kingdom hall mortgage but instituting a never-ending donation of a "similar" amount?.

  i've been searching the forum, but my google-fu is weak this morning!

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  Onager

  Brilliant, thanks TS!

  And in the immortal words of Donnovan: "Hail Atlantis!"
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  Kingdom Hall Mortgage repayments letter

  by Onager in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  hi,.

  can someone post a link to the letter to elders about cancelling the kingdom hall mortgage but instituting a never-ending donation of a "similar" amount?.

  i've been searching the forum, but my google-fu is weak this morning!

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  I searched "Mortgage", "Mortgage letter", "BOE letter mortgage". No joy. :(
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  Kingdom Hall Mortgage repayments letter

  by Onager in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  hi,.

  can someone post a link to the letter to elders about cancelling the kingdom hall mortgage but instituting a never-ending donation of a "similar" amount?.

  i've been searching the forum, but my google-fu is weak this morning!

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  Onager

  Hi,

  Can someone post a link to the letter to Elders about cancelling the Kingdom Hall mortgage but instituting a never-ending donation of a "similar" amount?

  I've been searching the forum, but my google-fu is weak this morning!
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  How many child abuse cases?

  by LHS123 in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  does anyone know where i can find numbers of how many child abuse cases have been brought against jws or settled out of court?.

  i know that 1 is too many and statistics don't reflect the horror suffered, but i would like some numbers to use when explaining to others the reasons for my decreased activity and to have support for my reasons for 'stumbling', facts which might make others think too.. im from uk so it helps that the charities commission is investigating there and also there's a paedophiles exposed website which names 32 jws convicted in uk since 2012, horrifying!

  http://ukpaedos-exposed.com.

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  https://www.gov.uk/government/news/charity-commission-investigates-jehovahs-witnesses-charities

  Oh this could cause all sorts of trouble. I can't imagine the organisation imploding from within or a mass awakening, but if it loses its charity status and has to start paying taxes in the UK I could see Head Office abandoning the UK. That would be pretty awesome!
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  "So you are an atheist. So would you kill me if it were to your advantage?"

  by OnTheWayOut in

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  2. friends

  i worked a different shift.

  i knew the people i worked with, but not as well as i could have.. anyway, religion comes up.

  one guy mentions in front of another that i wrote a book about my religious experience.

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  TTATTelder 2 hours ago

  I am starting to think atheists have stronger morals than the bible thumpers. At least an atheist has thought his or her standards through and has real convictions. Religious people are a moving target for fear and guilt. Can't bet on those emotions being consistent.

  -TE

  Strictly speaking Some atheists have stronger morals than Some bible thumpers. :) Some atheists are dicks and some theists are lovely.

  I agree with you that atheists have an advantage though. It seems better to me to behave morally because you believe it to be right rather than because you fear punishment from a deity.
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  "The organisation is imperfect, but it doesn't affect my relationship with Jehovah"

  by Alive! in

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  i've noted active, devoted jw's state the above.. and, it's not a problem for me to remain trusting of god, i just don't trust religions or men.. recently, a member of this forum stated that he remains an active jw, in the family of god's people, wanting to encourage and do good - whilst recognising that the pastoral leaders (the gb) have shipwrecked the faith of many, being unsound scripturally etc, etc.. stop and think about this - the bible says to not follow after those who lie and hurt the faith of "little ones".. the pharisees were accused of traversing over lands and expending much energy to make a single convert - only for that convert to end up worse of than he started off with.. it's one thing to not believe this is the 'truth' and feeling the awful pressure of managing ones life, trying not to lose ones family.. it's quite another thing to declare oneself to be a christian believer of god's jw household, and somehow believe the god of love would use corrupt liars to parade as jesus' brothers in the urgency of last days.

  really?

  and, to then visibly promote faith in corrupt men, and try to bring converts into a place where the rulership is wrong.. some of us are dying from hurt here.......give me a break..

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  Kaik, I was going to ask you for any online sources for the Pagan origin of baptism, but then I thought, Hey! I have fingers, I can google!

  http://www.bible.ca/ef/topical-baptism-a-prechristian-history.htm

  Interesting reading. Thanks, I'd never thought about this before.
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  What did you think when you visit the museum as a JW.

  by James Mixon in

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  2. bible

  when you stood there in front of that dinosaur display did you connect the.

  dots, or did you like me believe that they made a mistake in calculating their.

  ages.

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  BluesBrother 9 minutes ago

  I never saw a dino at the British Museum , it is full of human history. Congs would arrange visits & there was a group of pioneers who (I think counted their time) and took parties round .. The museum descriptions say that Jerusalem fell in 587 BCE , the guide said 607 BCE . I totally believed our guide and marvelled how "the world" could be so wrong so often......

  I went on those tours a few times when I was young. I used to be really excited about going... because there was an amazing comic book shop over the road from the museum entrance. Actually, now I come to think about it, going to Cardiff Assembly was exciting because there was a Forbidden Planet comic store just round the corner from the stadium! Since leaving the JW's I haven't been in a Comic book store, but there's the internet and Amazon now of course!
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  Side ads are hijacking this site!

  by WingCommander in

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  to jw admin:.

  for about a week now, i've noticed that whatever ads you are allowing on this site are basically "hijacking" any attempt to read threads.

  well, the side "ad" thing plays video advertisements, but that's not the problem.

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  Not quite the same but I just had an advert for Asian Women "pop out". Which was a bit awkward as I'm at work!