the wt frequently quotes from "vines expository dictionary.
" i heard recently that many of their interpretationsof the symbols of revelation were lifted from that dictionary, and applied by rutherfranz to any current events that could be made to fit.. e.g.
the beasts.. does anybody have a copy - can you verify this.
I haven't heard that.
Vine's 'Suppository' (LOL) is only a dictionary of NT Greek words. It's not a book of interpretation or a commentary. However, Vine was Plymouth Brethren and believed in the invisible return of Christ, so that'll be one of the reasons the WTS quote from him a lot.
greetings, will somebody tell me if the following numbers are current?special pioneers must preach 175 hours, with 50 back-calls per month.pioneers must preach 150 hours, with as many back-calls per month and studies that can be properly developed.publishers must meet the quota of 60 hours and 12 back-calls per month and at least one study a week for each.all must use territory assignment cards.
the cards must be within 20 miles of home location or considered both ?foolishness?
& ?unfaithfulness.
A long time ago it used to be 120/130? hours for special pioneers, 100 hours for regular pioneers, 75 hours for vacation (auxilliary) pioneers. And there were quotas for back calls, magazine and book placements, but I don't know figures.
Later the hours were dropped from 100 to 90 for regulars, from 75 to 60 for auxilliaries and the other quotas were dispensed with.
Now the hours are as Blondie says (hi Blondie ).
Btw, there are no hour requirements for the ordinary publisher (canvasser), although it is considered spiritually healthy to match the national average - 8-15 hours a month.
a couple of weeks ago i posted: www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/78808/1278659/post.ashx#1278659 .
for those who don?t want to read the whole post i bolded the part that i would like answers to.
at the moment i?m feeling totally drained and upset.
I'm sorry to hear of your frustrations, azaria.
There could be another deep-seated reason why your mom goes 'confused' and 'talks over' you, not wanting to follow through on a conversation. I take it she was a convert, right?
I found this from a book on the old WCG and how it radically changed. The author (J. M. Feazell) makes this astute observation about ones who found it extremely painful to change their view:
Many, if not most, first generation Sabbatarians are Sabbatarians because they left a non-Sabbatarian church, with all the resulting social and familial trauma, convinced after much study that the Sabbatarian position was correct. They had suffered for the truth, and God had honored their faithfulness.
To reject these doctrines now would be, in a very real sense, to declare that one had acted foolishly, not faithfully. It would be to abandon their sense of having done something special, something extraordinary for God. It would mean that they were not, after all, one of the only people who were not deceived. In fact, it would mean that they were actually among those who were even more deceived than others.
Some minds are not ready to contemplate that agonizing truth. The fact that she said that if JWs aren't right, she'd stop believing in God means (I think) that she senses how traumatic it'll be to face up to what you're saying. Please continue being patient and loving with her.
i heard in a talk recently that the faithful slave class was "commissioned" by jehovah to give us our food at the proper time.
my question is; where does it say that in the bible?
i am aware of the obscure reference to this "class" in matthew, but is there anywhere in the bible that actually says they were/are commissioned?
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If they did not discern in 1918 or 1919 that the Lord was presently at the temple for judgment, they would not have known they had been judged, appointed and commissioned.
They missed their own appointment! The Lord only told them 4 years later! It's like being awarded a prestigious prize and nobody telling you you won it until several years later. How screwy is that?
i heard in a talk recently that the faithful slave class was "commissioned" by jehovah to give us our food at the proper time.
my question is; where does it say that in the bible?
i am aware of the obscure reference to this "class" in matthew, but is there anywhere in the bible that actually says they were/are commissioned?
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i heard in a talk recently that the faithful slave class was "commissioned" by jehovah to give us our food at the proper time.
my question is; where does it say that in the bible?
i am aware of the obscure reference to this "class" in matthew, but is there anywhere in the bible that actually says they were/are commissioned?
The w97 quote is excruciating, Blondie!
Another good quote:
*** w36 3/15 The Lord's Day part 1 p87 ***
22 Even the "faithful servant" class, the remnant, did not discern the coming of the Lord to the temple at the time it occurred. Those faithful ones were fully trusting in the Lord and waiting upon him, yet it was not until 1922 that the Lord revealed to them that he was at the temple for judgment.
i read the post where some kid let go of a helium balloon at a convention, and everyone was watching it.
when i used to attend the conventions, i loved distractions.
i always heard multiple "pssst" sounds from people opening cans of cott cola.
I'd also dreamily gaze at the flocks of birds swooping around the stadium. Wait for the lawn sprinkler system to come on. Doodle pictures instead of taking notes. Write alternate (more realistic) versions of the demonstrations. It was a welcome distraction when mom passed around candy. The greatest distraction was when we volunteered - more fun than sitting through the talks.
there was a knock at the door earlier this week.
and i was on the phone, so my daughter opened the door to find two women on our porch.
holy somkes ... it must be jws!.
Q. How many members of the Church of God does it take to change a lightbulb?
A. Undetermined.
Whether your light is bright, dull, or completely out, you are loved -- you can be a lightbulb, turnip bulb, or tulip bulb. A church-wide lighting service is planned for Sunday, August 19. Bring bulbs of your choice and a covered dish.
has anyone ever called the y to see how they r funded???
it doesn't seem they r sponsored by all churches.
what did u find???.
*** w57 8/1 p. 478 Part 3: Rounding the World with the Vice-President ***Accordingly, 279 were favored with baptism in the YMCA swimming pool, not far from the Rizal Stadium, where 6,572 had heard them answer the decisive questions affirmatively.
*** w51 7/15 p. 429 Expansion of Theocracy in Indonesia and Singapore ***That afternoon we joined in a meeting with the publishers and people of good will. I started to talk at 2:15 and a brother interpreted in Indonesian. At 3:30 Brother Henschel spoke and his talk was interpreted in both Indonesian and Dutch. I then summed up for 45 minutes with two interpreters. The meetings were held at the YMCA, and 37 were present. Most of them were Chinese, but there were Indonesians and others present too. They expressed great appreciation following the meeting and then showed their desire to comply with all theocratic requirements.
*** yb91 p. 77 Hawaii?1991 Yearbook Report ***James said: "I read that a Japanese lecture would be given at the Nuuanu YMCA in Honolulu on the subject ?Millions Now Living Will Never Die.? This was something so different from what I had heard before, so I decided to attend.
*** yb77 p. 37 India ***An avid reader of The Watch Tower, Joseph learned that Brother Russell, while on a world tour during 1912, would visit India. Madras City was to be visited, so Joseph seized the opportunity to hear Russell and gain a personal interview. At Madras, Brother Russell lectured in the YMCA Hall and, though his schedule was full, he granted Joseph a personal interview lasting two hours.
*** yb77 p. 54 India ***Our brothers lodged at the YMCA Hostel and worked the residential homes scattered about on the steep hillsides.
Did anyone have to pay 'false religion' for the use of these facilities - the baptismal pool, a lecture room etc? I guess it's OK to hire the YMCA's amenities when it is for the furtherance of the 'true religion.'
being only newly freed from the wts, there are many people who were my friends that i would like to be able to explain the truth about many of the points raised on this board.
so i have decided to compile a publication that i can mail to them with short succinct, hardhitting reasoning on areas where the wts is misleading them and also areas where they are saying one thing but practising another.
i would like to be able to limit the explanations to one topic per page with the hope that if there is not too much too read they may just bother to read it.
I read a very good book a few weeks ago called "The Liberation of the Worldwide Church of God - The Remarkable Story of a Cult's Journey from Deception to Truth" by J.M. Feazell - very enlightening and helpful.
When discussing how to present truth to others, the author says:
"I sometimes found myself tempted to vent my anger with people who had not come as far down that path as God had brought me. To have done so would have succeeded only in driving them further away from the light into which God was bringing me and deeper into the darkness I was attacking. God desires that we be ministers of his grace, not ministers of our own pain and anger, to those still under the spell. Their assumptions must be challenged, yes, but Jesus in us comes to others in love, not in anger, impatience, or pride. ...
... Richard Foster cites four ways we tend to rush ahead when attempting to bring truth to others:
1. Ignoring the rituals of acquaintanceship.
2. Trying to get people interested in our message before they know we are interested in their lives.
3. Trying to bring them to a decision before they are ready for a decision.
4. Trying to bring people into a teaching before they can receive the teaching."
Whatever pamphlet is put together and distributed, or whoever we decide to 'enlighten,' I think keeping in mind the principles above will make for better success. And whatever the reaction, positive or negative, the individual is ultimately in God's hands.
