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  Supreme Court ruling- refusing to photo gay wedding is discrimination

  by SadElder in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  according to bloomberg news:.

  http://www.businessweek.com/news/2014-04-07/wedding-photographer-rebuffed-by-top-court-on-same-sex-ceremony.

  "the u.s. supreme court turned away an appeal from a new mexico wedding photographer found to have violated a state anti-discrimination law when she refused to take pictures of a commitment ceremony for a same-sex couple.. the photographer, elaine huguenin, argued unsuccessfully that she was being unconstitutionally forced to convey a message conflicting with her religious beliefs.

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  DuvanMuvan

  lambsbottom 3 things i want to say in response to what you said

  1. My point was that i see no reason why it was exclusively hetrosexual in the first place and that just saying "that's how it's always been" isn't really a reason for not allowing it to be for gay couples today.

  2. Is upholding the definition of a word really that important? Like when you think about everything else we could and should be worrying about?

  In fact...the dicitonary definition you provided doesn't have to be read as strictly hetrosexual

  "a. The condition of being a husband or wife; the relation between persons married to each other(notice it doesnt say between a man and a woman); matrimony." If this is really up to date this might be because same sex mariiage is becoming more common nowadays.

  3. There already is a same-sex version of marriage (over here in the UK at least, called civil unions) but the problem is that you're effectively saying that same sex marriage doesn't deserve to be given the same recognition.

  Same sex marriage was legalised over here not that long ago and i can honestly say that nothing has changed.
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  Supreme Court ruling- refusing to photo gay wedding is discrimination

  by SadElder in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  according to bloomberg news:.

  http://www.businessweek.com/news/2014-04-07/wedding-photographer-rebuffed-by-top-court-on-same-sex-ceremony.

  "the u.s. supreme court turned away an appeal from a new mexico wedding photographer found to have violated a state anti-discrimination law when she refused to take pictures of a commitment ceremony for a same-sex couple.. the photographer, elaine huguenin, argued unsuccessfully that she was being unconstitutionally forced to convey a message conflicting with her religious beliefs.

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  DuvanMuvan

  Well why exactly is marriage just for a man and a woman in the first place?
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  What JW beliefs did you used to hate trying to defend?

  by DuvanMuvan in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  as one of the jw "young ones" i was always expected to witness to my friends at school if i wanted to make god's heart glad or whatever but i didn't.

  the closest i ever got was just explaining why we didn't celebrate christmasetc.

  even then i was just reciting things i read in publications.. one topic i always tried to avoid talking about was birthdays.

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  DuvanMuvan

  Thanks everyone for contributing. Did anyone ever try to use those "suggestion" paragraphs in the reasoning book to try and stop these conversation stoppers? I can honestly say they never helped me once
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  Supreme Court ruling- refusing to photo gay wedding is discrimination

  by SadElder in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  according to bloomberg news:.

  http://www.businessweek.com/news/2014-04-07/wedding-photographer-rebuffed-by-top-court-on-same-sex-ceremony.

  "the u.s. supreme court turned away an appeal from a new mexico wedding photographer found to have violated a state anti-discrimination law when she refused to take pictures of a commitment ceremony for a same-sex couple.. the photographer, elaine huguenin, argued unsuccessfully that she was being unconstitutionally forced to convey a message conflicting with her religious beliefs.

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  DuvanMuvan

  Ok so I'm confused. If the photographer refuses to take the picture purely for the reason that they are gay, why shouldn't people get "bothered"?
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  What JW beliefs did you used to hate trying to defend?

  by DuvanMuvan in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  as one of the jw "young ones" i was always expected to witness to my friends at school if i wanted to make god's heart glad or whatever but i didn't.

  the closest i ever got was just explaining why we didn't celebrate christmasetc.

  even then i was just reciting things i read in publications.. one topic i always tried to avoid talking about was birthdays.

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  DuvanMuvan

  As one of the jw "young ones" i was always expected to witness to my friends at school if i wanted to make god's heart glad or whatever but i didn't. The closest i ever got was just explaining why we didn't celebrate Christmasetc. Even then i was just reciting things i read in publications.

  One topic i always tried to avoid talking about was birthdays. I'd drone on about how they are only mentioned in the bible twice and 2 people died but i never really got why we didn't. Luckily for me religion is a pretty boring topic of discussion at school so the subject was usually changed pretty quickly but if it had gone on any longer i would have been stuck.

  I was just wondering if anyone else has found the same thing happened to them with any other belief? I also wanted to try and remember some conversation stoppers for the memorial because i'm expecting one of the elders at the kh (long story) to be really annoying and maybe get him to start questioning things for himself.
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  Want to know why people accept evolution ?

  by snare&racket in

  1. jw
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  do you have questions about or want to understand evolution?

  it is a difficult concept to communicate and so if it is not explained well , it is understandable that we would dismiss it.. i sincerely want to talk with people who want to learn more or see what all the fuss is about.

  we are all learning and increasing our knowledge all the time and it is good to go over facts with critical eye.. evolution we can discuss, looking at the foundational facts and evidence, one at a time for you to go and check, agree or disagree with and return.. no pressure to accept it, you can decide for yourself, also no mocking etc of what you have to say.. .

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  DuvanMuvan

  "Evolution seems to me

  to be a male invention based on their own vanity and

  need to be on top."

  This coming from the person who reffered to god as a "he"?
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  Understanding the differences between doing a good job and doing a perfect job

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  for anything to be perfect, there has to be a standard in place regarding its function.. i love to use the analogy of a dinner fork.. if your standard for eating is the conveying of food from plate to mouth, a fork is a. perfect.

  utensil for eating peas, fries, etc.. .

  however--it is not worth much for eating soup!

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  DuvanMuvan

  Rip van winkle I always hated that bread pan illustration. What wise god can't be bothered to get a new bread pan? Or fix the flipping dent? Then when all his bread doesnt turn out how he wants it, he throws a hissy fit and destroys everything?
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  I survived a 3-hour manipulation session with 2 elderettes!

  by Faithful Witness in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i'm not sure how else to describe this meeting at my kitchen table.

  my elderette ("miss k") arrived with her friend in tow.

  i vaguely remember the 2nd lady ("miss w") from the times we went to the kh, but like miss k, we never really talked in depth.

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  DuvanMuvan

  Island man you realised you did just what Miss K kept doing right. "So it's possible..."??? Seriously?
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  I survived a 3-hour manipulation session with 2 elderettes!

  by Faithful Witness in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i'm not sure how else to describe this meeting at my kitchen table.

  my elderette ("miss k") arrived with her friend in tow.

  i vaguely remember the 2nd lady ("miss w") from the times we went to the kh, but like miss k, we never really talked in depth.

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  DuvanMuvan

  If I were you I wouldn't let this go. Whenever you see them ask if they've done some reasearch and got an answer yet because you aren't going to even consider becoming a jw if this basic question can't be answered properly. If they try to change the subject just say something like "I'm sorry but I'm not the type of person who sees something wrong with something and chooses to ignore it. If you want me to listen to what you have to say, prove to me you know what you're talking about first."
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  Apostate causes JWs to run away with their literature carts

  by Watchtower-Free in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  saw this on youtube.

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  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_97rqlsjpkc.

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  DuvanMuvan

  still not sure if I like this couple. Good on them for wanting to do something about the jws misleading people but the way they do it makes them look a bit obsessed in my opinion.