Posts by umbertoecho

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Contacted by Royal Commission today

by umbertoecho in

firstly, thank you to anyone who is in support of this rc.

no one has shown anything but great interest and empathy for those who were abused.. i don't know who this simonsays character is though and i find him to be very rude and ignorant.

it takes all kinds to make the world go round i suppose.. today i was contacted by a staff member of the royal commission.

umbertoecho

I feel very anxious at times, then I feel confirmed because of the fact that I was not alone in this ugly part of JW land. I am content to give as much inside information as the RC wants.

And today I did warn her of the fact that those men on the stand were actually using Theocratic Warfare upon the RC and " Do you understan what that means?

Not really, no.

Then I told her it meant these men would give themselves permission to lie out right, lie by omission and divert blame to some other person, preferably a dead one.

She cracked up at that last bit and said she needed to know I was safe. Very kind people, very thorough. I told her that I had never made it to baptism and that the WT would play that bit up for all it's worth. (Hence my post about those who felt they could not come forward due to not being officially in)

The emails are pouring in at times and if you care to look, when Stewart is doing his thing with those elders on the stand.........there are people near him who are being sent emailed responses to the RC, and they are reading them. Just in-case you wondered at what was going on there. Of course, they are also uploading relevant documents for Angus Stewart to reference.

Who is this Simonsays guy? Is he a still in witness? I hope he does not have the platform via this forum, to freak some other victims into silence. It can be a delicate balancing act for such women. Some of them are so afraid to speak for fear of losing children, grand children............all those people they love and suppress their emotions for, in order to never lose them.

OH oh oh. I almost forgot. I told this person that one of the hugest forums around were deeply involved in this Royal Commission, that they had the respect of other people in other countries. I told her of this site. To which the response was......."Oh really? We have heard that there is interest out there, but not to that extent. I will go and have a serious look at your recommended site." Of course it was this one I was referring to.

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Contacted by Royal Commission today

by umbertoecho in

firstly, thank you to anyone who is in support of this rc.

no one has shown anything but great interest and empathy for those who were abused.. i don't know who this simonsays character is though and i find him to be very rude and ignorant.

it takes all kinds to make the world go round i suppose.. today i was contacted by a staff member of the royal commission.

umbertoecho

Firstly, Thank you to anyone who is in support of this RC. No one has shown anything but great interest and empathy for those who were abused.

I don't know who this SimonSays character is though and I find him to be very rude and ignorant. It takes all kinds to make the world go round I suppose.

Today I was contacted by a staff member of the Royal Commission. I had sent my documents but had trouble with formatting. I had also emailed the person who is dealing with my part of Australia.

This is how thorough they are. Within minutes of sending off the email, my phone rang and it was one of the staff. She stayed talking with me for over an hour and typing as I answered questions. Then she strongly encouraged me to meet up with the commission. This has been something I am afraid of, due to family. She assured me that my identity will be completely hidden.

I asked her if they had that much time and she said........."Oh don't worry about that, this will be in about two months time, as there is much more going on and so many testimonials to gather"

I told this person that I was under the impression that this was a two week affair and then it would be wrapped up and on to the next group. "No. It's not going to be like that. We are still going for quite a long time and need to cover many who are giving testimonials."

I told this person that I was not after money and was told that it was not about compensation, but this RC will put people in touch with those who will seek compensation for victims. I was then given a legal body name and told it wouldn't hurt for me to seek compensation. I remain content to just give the facts and will be content with some changes that are put into place out of this mess.

This person felt I should at least contact the legal entity as it would assist with further addressing the costs involved with counselling and getting back on track. I said that I was already exhausted and had no energy for making a monetary claim..........

What I really want you people to know is that the Royal Commission may be over in terms of the live streaming, but it will not be over for a long time. Months to be exact. I didn't know this and find it a valuable piece of information.

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AUSTRALIA - All large JW Regional Conventions cancelled for 2015

by jwleaks in

now we know why the governing body of jehovah's witnesses cancelled all the major regional conventions of jehovah's witnesses for 2015 and are only holding smaller conventions at the jw assembly halls.

"imitate jesus" convention series australia schedule .

interestingly the first round of regional conventions are due this weekend in the jw assembly halls in sydney (new south wales), melbourne (victoria), and brisbane (queensland).

umbertoecho

Yes it's true. The elder over here confirmed it to me and said that they need to streamline as money is an issue and the large assemblies are too expensive to maintain. Some such drivel..........Other witnesses have confirmed it, my Elder nephew told his mum it's due to money.......

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For those of you "not baptised" and too afraid to front the RC. WT is hoping you won't come forward.

by umbertoecho in

hello to those following what is going in australia with our royal commission.. i want to let all those abused, neglected, shunned and blamed that i understand why you may not front the rc.

the wtbts is hoping you will consider yourself an invalid complainant, because you are not or were not.....baptised.

if you were abused at a young age and you told on your dad or the bad man that did it.......you would have been taken aside by the overseer and read scriptures about lying and being immoral; even if you didn't know what that word meant.

umbertoecho

SimonSay

This is what you sound like.............................................................................................

and this...........................................................................................................................

and this..........................................................................................................................

You are nothing to me.

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... and keep fighting

by nevaagain in

jw
friends

last week we had the cos visit and i wanted to share my experiences with you.

some background info on me, i knowttatt and am fully awake, my wife also knows my doubts and read a few things on the internet but she is still 100% commited to the truth, saying everything on the apostate sites are lies.

so right now i am in just to keep the status quo.

umbertoecho

I know you were being set up. I had the elder here with his wife two months ago and since then they have religiously arrived every weekend.

I had this elder start the topic of child sexual abuse topic straight away. No preamble just straight to this topic. I told him it was not a discussion I wanted to have with him or anyone else. The bloody wife had this gadget, it blinked a red light which caught my attention. Then I realised with amazement that she was recording me with her voice activated tablet. I think that's what you call them.

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Another Elder has developed amnesia.

by umbertoecho in

the elder just being questioned is yet another sly manufacturer of deceit and the use of theocratic warfare.. how can these men say the can't remember when it's their own letters, their own implemented policies.

hell, it's their own books and magazines the commission is using, along with internal letters etc.

another dry mouth there........as he sat up all alone and experienced first hand the faith building experience of ....speaking with a thick tongue as all his juices dried up.........

umbertoecho

The elder just being questioned is yet another sly manufacturer of deceit and the use of Theocratic Warfare.

How can these men say the can't remember when it's their own letters, their own implemented policies. Hell, it's their own books and magazines the commission is using, along with internal letters etc

Another dry mouth there........as he sat up all alone and experienced first hand the faith building experience of ....speaking with a thick tongue as all his juices dried up........

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For those of you "not baptised" and too afraid to front the RC. WT is hoping you won't come forward.

by umbertoecho in

hello to those following what is going in australia with our royal commission.. i want to let all those abused, neglected, shunned and blamed that i understand why you may not front the rc.

the wtbts is hoping you will consider yourself an invalid complainant, because you are not or were not.....baptised.

if you were abused at a young age and you told on your dad or the bad man that did it.......you would have been taken aside by the overseer and read scriptures about lying and being immoral; even if you didn't know what that word meant.

umbertoecho

Simon says: I put it to you to learn how to read. I see you have started no topic and that you have been here a short time. I see your' over reaction as typical of a brain dead JW!! Get lost

The society has tried to play on that point in defending it's lack of action and concern. I know that had I not read copious amounts of documents supplied to RC I would have remained under the impression that WT was not culpable in those cases

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Saturday, Elders response to Royal Commission

by umbertoecho in

on saturday the elder and his wife turned up.

i have my reasons for not turning them away at the moment, at least, not until the completion of the rc.. i asked him about his thoughts on the rc.

he said that he thought it was easy and nothing to worry about.

umbertoecho

On Saturday the Elder and his wife turned up. I have my reasons for not turning them away at the moment, at least, not until the completion of the RC.

I asked him about his thoughts on the RC. He said that he thought it was easy and nothing to worry about. He felt that the investigation was rather limited and therefore they would come out of this with no problems. Only a thousand or so perverts compared to beastly Babylon the great apostate religions of the world. Truly amazing to hear him say this. Mind you. He is only one elder giving his opinion.

How's them eggs?!!

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Human rights issue

by possum in

jw
friends

hi, i am possum and have been posting for a short time just thought i would introduce myself with much trepidation.

i am a third generation ex witness.

grandparents originally lured into cult in 1920 after the death of a precious child.

umbertoecho

possum, Thank you for sharing your experiences. It gives me some courage now to do what I have to do this week. I hope you and your partner remain well and something comes of this RC.

Very succinct account.

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Royal Commission - Clarification of 1,006 unreported abusers

by Listener in

knowing that many here like to relate information as accurately as possible i just wanted to make a clarification regarding the unreported abusers in the australian jw religion.. it is not correct for us to state that there are 1,006 cases of unreported abusers in australia since 1950. .

this is what the commission has reported in the opening address .

those documents include 1,006 case files relating to allegations of child sexual abuse made against members of the jehovahs witness church in australia since 1950 each file for a different alleged perpetrator of child sexual abuse.

umbertoecho

listener.

What this also means is that the organization is relying on the victim or parents to report the abuse when their is mandatory reporting. As they aren't reporting any themselves then they must be actively seeking the co-operation of the parents/victim to report it. In other words, they are actively passing on the responsibility to report (where there is mandatory reporting) to the parents/victim.

Don't forget that it is sin to take another to court. This is emphatically impressed upon the R&F. A victim is also told that they may suffer consequences as ...."to bring reproach upon Jehovah's name" Is a very serious sin. It is close to grieving the "holy spirit". This is tantamount to eternal damnation, no resurrection gift vouchers, nothing.

Watchtower in the Royal Commissions eyes has every red flag for the perpetration of crimes of a sexual nature, due to it's repressive rules. Now, that one is well identified.

I think I have already corrected someone in my family about the fact that this is about 1,006 individual potential perpetrators of this crime. And these are only the ones that came forward, no doubt with pounding heart ripping fear. The rest of us, just shut up for other reasons such as threats.

Also the mandatory reporting is about "The authorative body be it ecclesiastic or educational, or other secular" Is about the obligation of that entity to do the reporting. Where religion has ignored it has been in this clergy client seal of secrecy. It is exactly the same in effect as the one that WT employs.

Also, it is hoped by many........activists, counsellors, human rights advocates, legal and non legal entities........that they be granted the full right to employ the use of legal compulsion and "report" suspected abuse, on pain of breaking the law of the land if they don't